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Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 18th, 2016 @ 8:04am
by Mr_eX
LiQuid wrote:My PC is such a dumpster fire.

http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/1001965

Can anybody tell me why all my shit is performing below expectations? Is my shit overheating? What's a program I can use to check my running temps?



You should probably overclock your CPU and maybe even your GPU. Upgrading to windows 10 would probably help some too but I know you're not going to do that.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 18th, 2016 @ 9:18am
by kenzo
I think my wifi card is dying. Anyone have a suggestion on a good card to use as a replacement?

I'm not hard wiring this, sorry. It's the 21st century, all wires must go.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 18th, 2016 @ 9:48am
by CrossXhunteR
I used a 10 dollar wifi dongle that gave good speeds, until it seemed to die that is.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 18th, 2016 @ 11:38am
by meDotJS
kenzo wrote:I'm not hard wiring this, sorry. It's the 21st century, all wires must go.

Even the best WiFi solution won't be as good as ethernet.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 18th, 2016 @ 12:40pm
by LiQuid
How would upgrading to Windows 10 help my CPU perform better? Windows 10 didn't exist when my CPU was manufactured. Does Windows 10 contain sorcery that makes old, shitty components perform at higher specs than they are physically capable of? Please tell me about this sorcery.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 18th, 2016 @ 5:07pm
by Mr_eX
From your benchmark

Although Windows 7 is still a reasonable option it's nearly seven years old. This system should be upgraded to Windows 10 which is generally faster and has an improved set of core utilities including better versions of explorer and task manager.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 18th, 2016 @ 5:38pm
by LiQuid
Ok, so it won't magically make my hardware better. Got it.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 18th, 2016 @ 5:42pm
by meDotJS
No, but the benchmark can only measure what's not being used by the OS. If an OS idles at 15% CPU usage that will mean the benchmark is effectively measuring 85% of your CPU power. If the OS idles at 10% you can get a benchmark for the other 90% instead.

Windows 10 is a better OS in that regard.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 18th, 2016 @ 6:04pm
by kenzo
I don't think that 5% difference is the reason why his PC is shit, MeDot...

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 18th, 2016 @ 6:57pm
by Mr_eX
It's not helping

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 18th, 2016 @ 10:13pm
by kenzo
That's not how logic works.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 19th, 2016 @ 11:31pm
by kenzo
Got a new bluetooth mouse & keyboard was the right idea for my media pc (old shitty laptop). Sooooo much more responsive.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 24th, 2016 @ 4:56pm
by Master Higgins
Every day I wake up to "WE'RE GOING TO UPGRADE YOU TO WINDOWS 10 TONIGHT AT 3AM OK?????"

Do I just take the plunge?

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 24th, 2016 @ 4:59pm
by CrossXhunteR
Sure. An annoying thing with Windows 10 is my computer turns back on when I turn it off, forcing me to turn it off twice. I think this is because my peripherals are set to be able to turn on my computer, and there is a strange interaction there.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 24th, 2016 @ 5:05pm
by LiQuid
You can delete one of your old Windows Updates that will cancel the notification if you want to stick with Windows 7. You're on Windows 7 right? If you're using Windows 8 just upgrade it.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 24th, 2016 @ 10:54pm
by meDotJS
Master Higgins wrote:Every day I wake up to "WE'RE GOING TO UPGRADE YOU TO WINDOWS 10 TONIGHT AT 3AM OK?????"

Do I just take the plunge?

Yes. There's no real reason not to.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 27th, 2016 @ 8:30pm
by Mr_eX
Master Higgins wrote:Every day I wake up to "WE'RE GOING TO UPGRADE YOU TO WINDOWS 10 TONIGHT AT 3AM OK?????"

Do I just take the plunge?


Yes.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 27th, 2016 @ 9:07pm
by kenzo
meDotJS wrote:Yes. There's no real reason not to.
That's a really shit reason to do things. There's also no reason to do so either.

If you don't like Windows asking you to update now, Higgins, enjoy Windows 10 where the updates are mandatory and forced.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 28th, 2016 @ 8:37am
by Mr_eX
Also enjoy a faster OS that runs games better

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 28th, 2016 @ 1:19pm
by LiQuid
That's such a nebulous bullshit statement. I haven't had any complaints with the speed of Windows 7. Whatever that means. And it runs games fine, outside of the half dozen games that require Windows 10, like Gigantic, which is probably DOA anyways because nobody plays it or cares about it.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 28th, 2016 @ 2:07pm
by kenzo
Windows 10 scores better on benchmarks in a negligible way that Higgins will never fucking notice playing only WoW or HotS. And those mostly have to do with Windows 10 exploiting how benchmark programs work versus actual playing conditions of real games, where you'll see your games running at 55fps on average tick up to 57fps or some bullshit.

As for 'running faster' I can categorically say that's false. Windows 7 or 8 'run' at the same speed. The difference comes in some of the tweaks to the startup procedures, which are faster, but honestly not worth an OS upgrade, especially considering all of windows 10's drawbacks. I turn my PC on, it takes a minute or so to boot up, big fuckin' woop. It gives me time to walk to the kitchen and grab a drink, or go to the bathroom and take a piss. Most of the OS slowdown too just has to do with having a packed registry that gets bloated overtime as well, just like literally every OS. Windows 10 will begin to 'slow down' over the next few years for you unless you do fresh installs, and windows 11 will feel so much faster when it isn't. You know what's faster? Waking your PC up from sleep mode. My windows 7 PC, from pressing the power button to doing shit on the desktop again literally only takes a second when it's been in sleep mode. It's kind of the reason why sleep mode exists. So why exactly should anyone update their OS because they're incapable or unwilling to put their computer into sleep mode?

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 28th, 2016 @ 2:13pm
by LiQuid
I can never figure out how to properly use sleep mode. I never know what combination of in-OS prompts and buttons on my tower I need to press in order to make it sleep and wake it up. I'd probably use sleep mode if I knew how as an alternative to just leaving my shit on 24/7.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 28th, 2016 @ 2:19pm
by kenzo
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I will say to Higgins that, upgrading from 8 to 10 might be worth, simply because 8 is such utter trash, and 10 is an improvement only because it brings the OS back to be more like 7. But if you already have 7, or can just install 7, why not just keep 7? Do you really need to be able to ask Cortana questions from your system tray?

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 28th, 2016 @ 6:08pm
by Mr_eX
Why upgrade to Windows 7? Windows XP works just fine

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 28th, 2016 @ 6:47pm
by kenzo
7 provided tangible and huge upgrades over XP. The two ran off completely different kernels. 10 is just a re-skin of 8 to make it functional again, which was actually just 7 with a bunch of garbage mobile phone junk slapped on top. You need 7 over XP to take advantage of modern PC hardware like 64-bit, multi-core CPUs, RAM configurations larger than 1-2GBs, HDDs that can handle files larger than 4GBs and capacities in the TBs, USB3.0, etc. Win10 does literally nothing that 7 can't with a desktop, aside from shit nobody cares about like native touch-screen input/controls.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 28th, 2016 @ 6:58pm
by CrossXhunteR
Newest DirectX is Win10 only, as is the Windows 10 store. You may not care for those, but they do go against the "literally nothing" sentiment. And yes, people do care about those.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 28th, 2016 @ 7:05pm
by kenzo
I refuse to believe people actually care about the Windows 10 Store, and if you do, you need to get your head checked for brain tumors. And yes, some people do care about the newest DirectX. They're mostly people who can't stand not being on the bleeding edge for irrational reasons, so you have to ask yourself two important questions here:

1) Do you even have a GPU that can take advantage of it?

2) Do you even have games that can take advantage of it?

Because to make a Win10 upgrade worth it, you need to answer 'yes' to both questions, and I'm willing to bet the answer for both is no. Especially for a guy like Higgins who only plays WoW. A game that is TWELVE years old and will look like ass no matter what your graphical settings are.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 28th, 2016 @ 8:04pm
by Mr_eX
People care about the windows 10 store because it allows you to play Xbox One games without needing to buy a Xbox One and some of them have cross platform multiplayer. So your friends could have Gears of War 4 on XBone and you could get it on windows 10 and you could play together.

Also DX12 is backwards compatible with most GPUs so pretty much everyone here has one thats compatible.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 28th, 2016 @ 8:57pm
by totoro
Why upgrade to Windows 10? I'll throw in my 2 cents even though I largely despise Windows as a result of supporting it day in and day out for the last 11+ years of my life.

1 - it's going to be supported much longer than Windows 7 or 8 are. This seems like a 'well duh' statement, but it's important to remember that Microsoft does not support their different operating systems forever. Windows XP already doesn't receive critical security updates, Windows 7 has gone past its mainstream support end of life (1/13/2015) and is currently on extended support. Granted that extended support is until 1/14/2020, it's going to run out and eventually the trickle of bug fixes and updates are going to slow from not only Microsoft, but from other software providers as well. Windows 8's extended end of life goes to something like 2023 which is a long way off, but if MS is willing to give you their next longterm OS now free for a limited time it makes sense to a point.

2 - they've overhauled the OS in a big way and reduced a lot of bloat. The same way that the Windows 7 out of the box seemed to run better than Windows Vista did out of the box (of course a dead cat ran better of the box than Vista). They've identified efficiencies in the code and how it runs on the hardware to take better advantage of what's already there while cleaning up the bugs that exist. We've seen it at work where the newer releases of the Windows 10 OS run better than the previous versions.

So no, it's not going to be a silver bullet that's going to allow you to magically run something in a much better way, but it can extend the life of what you have by enough of a margin and if you're going to be building on what you've already got regardless then it makes even more sense from the obsolescence standpoint.

Like I said, my 2 cents that everyone has probably already considered, but it's worth restating and rethinking.

Re: Build/ Upgrade a PC

PostPosted: Apr 28th, 2016 @ 10:12pm
by LiQuid
I only get odd numbered Windows. It's MS's fault for skipping 9.