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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby Konanda » Nov 7th, 2015 @ 7:10pm

I mean large parts of it are but there is also the weird The Zone shit, or the mechs being sentient and like the entire end of that series, just off the top of my head.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby kenzo » Nov 7th, 2015 @ 7:12pm

Konanda wrote:I mean large parts of it are but there is also the weird The Zone shit, or the mechs being sentient and like the entire end of that series, just off the top of my head.
Gundam has Newtype magic and war drama; still is a show targeted at boys telling a very conventional coming of age story.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby LiQuid » Nov 17th, 2015 @ 7:52am

I can't believe how much anime they packed into the first episode of One Punch Man. It was like watching 4 seasons of Dragonball in 20 minutes.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby kenzo » Nov 17th, 2015 @ 9:01am

Fights tend to end quickly when you defeat everyone with one punch.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby kenzo » Nov 25th, 2015 @ 1:03am

Voltic asked me to watch and get into a show this season called Utawarerumono: Itsuwari no Kamen. It's a pretty entertaining, comfy show. But it's a psudo-sequel to a previous work, and it began making HEAVY references, so I got tired of not being in the know and went back to watch the original Utawarerumono. And I've got a lot to say about these shows.

  • It's VERY apparent that these shows are based off of VNs. I really tend to hate VN adaptations because the whole chose-your-love-interest formula always manifests itself as a harem in anime-form. Because the show has to be linear, and the makers usually feel obligated to touch on the romantic motivations and story lines of the different possible love interests. But the show makers also feel remiss to actually choose a romantic route in order to craft a more coherent and interesting story, because they don't want to piss off any fans for not picking their waifu-of-choice, leading to a shitty harem non-ending on the romance side.
  • Which leads us to Underwater Ray Romano, which actually bucks trends and picks a girl for OTP! And not just that but they pick the best possible one. Which is refreshing and great. However...
  • The Ray Romano original game is also basically an erogame, complete with sex scenes where the MC fucks all the girls, including several underaged and childlike characters in the same peer-group as his daughteru, which is fuckin' nasty and vile. The anime, not only ejects all of that, but also doesn't even attempt to go down any side romance plots or even show suggestive bathing scenes and keeps the gross fanservice to the most minimal of levels (outside the bizarre OVAs). So that's good.
  • That said though, the sequel, Itsuwari no Kamen, is also based on a VN, which is tied pretty directly into the events of the first game, where the MC fucks everyone. And the primary heroine of this show is actually the daughter of the MC in the first show, and one of his jump-offs. And actually the jump-off that's totally the most vile hookup of the game, what with her being underaged, and also crippled. Knowing this now, retroactively makes everything I've seen of Itsuwari no Kamen upsetting and gross. My Hakuoro wouldn't fug a Yuzuha; he only has pure-love for Eruruu! :evil:
  • Weird shitty harem business aside, both shows are pretty well made. It would have been interesting to see how the original show's broadcast version held up, since I saw a bluray rip that undoubtedly was cleaned up and also in HD and not the likely SD broadcast that would have happened back then in 2006. It's a fun fantasy setting, and the politicking and tactical warfare makes for a fun show, and balancing that stuff out with lighter segments in between makes for a good pace. This current new show has so far, 8 episodes in, been surprisingly more ecchi, despite the source material actually not having the kinds of sex scenes/nudity that the original had, but it's not at a level yet where it begins actively detracting from my experience. Esp since it seems equal opportunity in terms of giving fan service.
  • So far, the cast of the 2nd show is vastly shittier than the first. I'd say both MCs of the 2nd show (Haku & Kuon) are inherently more interesting characters/personalities versus the 1st show's (Hakuoro & Eruruu), but their interpersonal dynamic is less compelling (Haku & Kuon act like siblings; Hakuoro & Eruruu had this kind of romantic magnetism between them) and the supporting cast in general is vastly shittier. For starters, besides the MC, the first show actually has a bunch of cool men in the main cast who do things. So far, 8 episodes in, it seems like most of the main cast this time around is Haku's undeserved harem. A harem actually would have been more understanding in the first show because Hakuoro demonstrates himself very quickly and early on as a real man's man who is a great leader and a compassionate man, whereas Haku is a lazy asshole who doesn't really do much or have a demonstrably likable personality, IMO.
  • I also feel compelled to say that the ending of the first Utawarerumono is kinda bullshit, but at least the MCs made out, so that was nice at least.
  • There's some really gross tropes in this too, that can a lot of times be overlooked, but sometimes not so much. Like one time, there's this woman who witnesses too many horrors of war, and she mind-breaks because of it, having her personality regress into that of a small infant, in a way that's just so cringey and stupid that I don't get it. Like, besides how stupid that concept is to begin with, she doesn't just get amnesia and shit, but goes full-on baby mode and starts goo-goo-gaa-gaa-ing. It's a pretty gross thing to do, and kinda ruins an otherwise really solid character by implying her mental fortitude and strength as a character was total shit.

And that's about it for now I guess. I'll be interested in seeing if this new show tries to go down a route that expands the lore of this world or not. I kinda don't want it to too much, depending on how it's handled. Like, the premise is cool, but the execution is kinda dumb, and I'm content simply continuing to exist in this new world rather than trying to unravel more of its hamfisted secrets.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby kenzo » Dec 7th, 2015 @ 10:00pm

The other night I watched Laputa for the first time in years on bluray. I wanted to chat on discord about it with the people there, but that was a night Dakazu was shitposting so hard and furious it derailed everything, so I'll post about it here a little.

Laputa is amazing to watch in HD. Like, awe inspiring. Cagliostro is pretty budget in a lot of places, and Nausicaa has lots of times where it's rough around the edges and you can see how the animators try to do things at times that they're not capable of doing (either technically or not enough budget). But Laputa is a friggin masterpiece. It looks as good as any of Ghibli's best movies. And I'd forgotten how good the music is too. The intro title sequence, along with Cagliostro's Title Sequence is actually like, a masterclass at how to tell a story with no words. No info-dumping, no exposition or narration, no complex montage. Everything you'd want to know about the backstory of the setting and world is told to you in two brief minutes of gorgeous, stylized, moving murals. Watching it for the first time in forever and even forgetting it existed put the hair on the back of my neck on end.

The only real complaint here, is that I watched it on a Disney published disk, and Disney failed me here. The only subtitle track is a 'dubtitle' that adheres to the liberally translated English script. There's no option for a more literal translation if you're watching Japanese language instead. It's a big bummer, especially when there are entire lines missing. My Japanese knowledge is functional enough to compensate for those instances or to spot when they took too many liberties in the translation, but it's still annoying as hell that in 2015, I'm paying for physical media like this and they aren't putting in the bare minimum effort. Especially when they've done other releases much better like the Princess Mononoke bluray.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby dakazu » Dec 8th, 2015 @ 11:29am

kenzo wrote:The other night I watched Laputa for the first time in years on bluray. I wanted to chat on discord about it with the people there, but that was a typical night of Discord, so I'll post about it here a little.

Fixed

It's humorous that you feel any deviation from all the 4chan/gunpla posts are "shit posts" because technically everything in Discord is terrible and we are terrible people :lol:

Laputa is a great movie and the ghibli movie I watched most growing up. It's kinda grim during the last part but also beautifully animated.

Gundam hasn't had a lot of Gundam in it recently. Which is weird cause it's Gundam and Bandai should be selling me more toys.

Wanpan is ending soon but I'm wondering if they're going to spread out this Alien invasion arc to the final 2 episodes or do something special for the last episode.

Ushio to Tora will also be ending soon. I wonder if they'll pull a Yowapedal season 1 and just end things without putting a cap on things.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby kenzo » Dec 9th, 2015 @ 12:23am

You should get a hold of some of these early Ghibli films in HD bruh. They're freaking magical. You can sort of imagine how it might have been to see 'em in theaters.

If there's one thing I'm thankful for IBO, it's that it's given me even more appreciation for G-Reco. IBO is painfully slow and boring at times, and all its characters are unlikable, and there's barely any mechs. Meanwhile G-Reco was balls-to-the-wall, all the characters were amazing, there were too many mechs if that's possibly a thing, and it was never boring. I also can't even begin to speculate what the themes are for IBO either. Even the shittiest of Gundams like 00, it was apparent from the first episode what kind of themes the show wanted to talk about. IBO is like... ??? Harems are cool????? I don't know. It's been an OK show but a horribly disappointing Gundam show.

We've been over this before, or is this one of the things you "didn't hear" - Ushio & Tora isn't ending, it's going on hiatus.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby kenzo » Dec 15th, 2015 @ 7:08am

Wow. WOW.

Just watched MSG F91

Freaking incredible

If only because the mecha porn was the most intense, beautiful spectacle I've seen in a while. Story was pretty good too. Also, how great is it that the MC is named 'Seabook'??? I'll def be getting an F91 kit in the future.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby dakazu » Dec 15th, 2015 @ 10:04pm

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The design of F91 is nice except for the stupid "F91" on the shoulders.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby kenzo » Dec 15th, 2015 @ 10:39pm

I like it. Then and again I also like the Hyaku on the shoulder of the Hyaku Shiki. More mechs should have big decals on em that say things. Reminds me of old fighter planes or bombers.

The thing I don't like about the F91 is that it's a plot point that, because it's so technologically advanced, they've managed to miniaturize a lot of components and make it smaller. Which rationally makes sense and is cool. But irrationally it looks less cool compared to other Gundams because it's so much shorter. Like the plastic kits for these are more than an inch shorter than your average ones.

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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby LiQuid » Dec 19th, 2015 @ 11:39am



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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby meDotJS » Dec 21st, 2015 @ 10:46am

One Punch Man was pretty amazing.

Spoiler: show
I honestly didn't expect them to ever have an opponent last more than one punch against Saitama, even with the whole "he was holding back" excuse. They still handled it well.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby kenzo » Dec 21st, 2015 @ 11:10am

It's not exactly evident from the show medot, but it's less that he doesn't go down with one hit. Think of this guy as Freeza, where he keeps evolving his forms, and each form still gets KO'd with one punch.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby dakazu » Dec 22nd, 2015 @ 2:39am

Wait for Garo
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby kenzo » Dec 24th, 2015 @ 12:43am

The only UC Gundam I have left to watch is Victory, but the bluray rips on that are coming out slowwwwly. I don't want to catch up and then get blue balled or have to downgrade to SD, so Victory is getting put on hold. Which won't be a huge deal tbh, when Victory is so disconnected from the rest of the Universal Century. I guess there's also G-Savior, but that's actually not anime. So now it's either Wing-time or G-time. I love G a whole lot, but since IBO has been happening (and kinda stinking) I want to rewatch Wing and see how v1.0 holds up to v3.0 in comparison.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby kenzo » Dec 27th, 2015 @ 6:12am

I'm really growing to hate Iron Blooded Orphans.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby kenzo » Jan 1st, 2016 @ 6:52am

Fall 2015 is over. Before we can move onto the Winter Season, we've gotta go over the previous one. So here's a quick-ish rundown of what got watched, broken down into tiers:

The Godlike Tier of Elite Truefan Anime Hipsters: This is the tier for shows that are equal parts amazing and obscure. Watch these shows so you can maintain a smug air of superiority over shitty casual-fans with pleb-tastes. They don't know what they're missing, and that makes you better than them! But in all seriousness, these are really good shows that don't get enough attention for whatever reason.

  • Concrete Revolutio (1st Cour) - This show is somewhat understated, and has totally flown under the radar, but it's actually been amazing. The premise is simple. It's basically the Japanese/anime version of Watchmen. Yeah, that Watchmen. The show runners have basically said as much too. They enjoyed Watchmen and wondered why there was no such equivalent in anime, and set about making their own. So instead of deconstructing American super heroes with naked parody of Charleston Comic characters, you get a lot of parody of everything in the world of anime/manga/tokusatsu heroics history. So the whole show is filled to the brim with references to Astro Boy, Ultraman, Kikaider, Devilman, Transformers, Sazae-san, Gigantor, Godzilla, Cyborg 009, Kamen Rider, Thunderbirds, and a bunch of other shit I don't even recognize. And instead of placing it in an alternate 80s and seeing how superheroes might have fucked up history/the world, the setting is in Japan in the 60s, and we see the civil rights movement replaced with the struggle for rights for 'superhumans'. The history buff in me goes wild while watching this show, but beyond that level and at its core, it's just a fun look at the grey areas surrounding ideas of justice, freedom, and peace through the lens of anime. If you like history, or old anime/tokusatsu, or super heroics, you owe it to yourself to watch this show. Small caveat though, that it's not totally over; there's a second cour scheduled for Spring 2016, but the season finale this year was pretty good.
  • Noragami Aragoto - Probably could have been thrown in the 'It Is What We Thought It Was' tier, since this is a second season. But Noragami is under appreciated and really good. It's a neat mix of Japanese mythological figures and religion thrown into a present day setting in a way that hasn't really been done often before. You've got a minor god, who is trying desperately to expand his notoriety, because the gods get their power from worship, and disappear if they're forgotten. But being ephemeral, people kind of get natural amnesia and forget about their run-ins with gods (and other spirits). So it's really neat to see the MC trying to make an impression on society in his own ways. This being season 2, it's much better than the first, since it didn't have to waste any time establishing the cast/setting/scenario, and we could just jump right into shenanigans. And this show does have a very likable cast, and does a great job at world building. It's an easy recommendation to almost everyone.

The "Totally Rad X-Treme 90s Anime Better Than Your Memories Nostalgia" Tier: Ok, so this tier is basically just for...

  • Ushio & Tora (2nd Cour) - I've talked about this show before, but the season is over now, and the show goes on hiatus until the Spring. It's just an example of classic Shounen anime done right. And because it's being made well after the fact with plenty of hindsight, it's been moving along at a brisk, wonderful pace. So there's no battles that go on forever. If this was made like DBZ, it would have taken years to get up to the point in the plot where we are now. If you ever enjoyed 90s anime you owe it to yourself to watch this one. It's legitimately good and will make you feel nostalgic for something you've never seen before.

The "Master Higgins Will Sing Its Praises Three Years From Now" Tier: This is for popular, FOTM shows that gain broader, casual traction among anime fans. Your Attack on Titans, your Kill la Kills, your...

  • One Punch Man - This is the current FOTM show that casual fans have globbed onto. Most of the times these shows are somewhat mediocre to even bad shows that get overhyped for typically stupid reasons and hordes of mouthbreathing weebs glob onto them in obnoxious ways. OPM is actually an exception in that it's actually very good and deserves a lot of its praise! Weird! I blame the scenario (typical super hero business) and a bombastic design sensibility. It's basically a show about what if Superman was actually allowed to be all-powerful and wasn't randomly nerfed all the time for artificial suspense. It's funny, it's cute, it's ridiculous, and it's fun. Most people like OPM, so if you haven't seen it you should.

The "Where the Hell Did This Amazing Show Come From?" Tier: Seriously, where did this come from? If you know, tell me so I can find more maybe.

  • Osomatsu-san (1st Cour) - This is a classic gag anime/comic from the 60s (Osomatsu-kun, about a family of sextuplets) reimagined. It's low-rent, stupid, and has no right being this good. It's kind of like, what if someone dug up the Simpsons after 40 years, aged the cast up by 10 years, and let's watch the kinds of troubles they get into in a modern setting. It's funny, occasionally heart warming, clever, stupid, endearing, relateable, and comfy. It's also got the secret best OP and ED of the season. The surprising quality of this show led to it getting renewed for a second cour halfway through, which almost never happens in anime ever.

The "It Is What We Thought It Was" Tier: For known quantities that get watched because we know what they are and we like that.

  • Garo: Guren no Tsuki (1st Cour) - I liked the last Garo show. I like this one too! This isn't a direct sequel. It's got a Final Fantasy thing going on where similar reoccouring themes concepts and mythos among a different cast and setting. Garo began as a tokusatsu show not unlike Power Rangers, but aimed at adults with a dark and mature slant. The anime is just an anime version of that. I don't know if this is for everyone, but I love it. The last Garo had a medieval European fantasy setting. This one is even better, taking place in Heian Japan, and the cast is filled with fresh takes on historical/mythological figures.
  • Gintama - It's more Gintama. It's just nice to hang out with the cast on a week-to-week basis, even if for whatever strange reason, I don't think this recent run quite lives up to the previous ones. It's just missing a je ne sais quoi I can't quite put my finger on. I think the current series director just doesn't quite have the same talents for comic timing and for creating suspense. It's still a lot of fun though, because you can't mess up a winning formula that badly.
  • World Trigger (Filler Arc)- This last season has been a filler arc, and I've actually enjoyed it more than the most recent arc of the show. Because during this filler arc, the story has actually been a lot more focused on the main trio of heroes in Tamakoma Team 2, and not drifting all over the place with World Trigger's gigantic expanded cast. The story pacing has also been better because they can tell a story at their own pace appropriate for an anime, rather than being hamstrung by adapting a manga.

    It's still an ugly as fuck show though.
  • K: Return of Kings - This is the sequel to a show from a few years ago. It's OK. It's very stylish, but sometimes to a fault. It's cast is rather large and ecclectic, as a point of design. It's god a strange mix of 2D and 3D animation, where most of the backgrounds are 3D, but all of the characters are hand drawn. Which a lot of the time looks nice, but other times looks really out of place when the camera zooms around, and the 2D characters don't exactly move correctly along with the backgrounds creating a kind of weird superimposition effect. It's not uncommon to see a character run down the street, and be totally taken out of the action because the backgroudns are flying by at like, 80 mph, and there's no way these characters actually run that fast. Still, it's enjoyable, fluffy, formulaic, action show.

The Voltic-Tier of Being Talked Into Watching a Mediocre Show: This is a special tier for shows Voltic talks me into watching that end up being just OK.

  • Utawarerumono: Itsuwari no Kamen (1st Cour)- Voltic loves the Visual Novels these are based on and demanded I watch. It's OK but nothing special so far. This first cour has spent its entire time establishing the cast by treading water in the plot and just hanging out in a comfy, zero-conflict manner. Which is kind of nice, but probably could have had these moments spaced out more evenly with more conflict in between. This is a psudosequel to a pre-existing show from several years ago, and going back to watch that, I liked it a lot. With that perspective, this show isn't nearly as good. It's also alarmingly ecchi at times. But I'm promised that shit will hit the fan soon, so 2nd cour let's go! I can't really recommend anyone watch this show quite yet. The first Utawarerumono show though? Not bad! It's a decent war show with some good politicking.

The "I Don't Know What I Was Expecting" Tier of Regrets: These are for bad shows I should have known better than to watch, but watched anyways for inexplicable reasons.

  • Onsen Yousei Hakone-chan - A series of 3min shorts about a chibi mascot/diety for Japanese hot springs. It's short, it's bland, it goes nowhere, it's just kinda there to be cute and make people want to visit a specific IRL place to drum up tourism. Because Japan gotta love their baths. I'm actually kind of disssapointed in this show in a weird way, because the comic it's based on is classified as 'ecchi' and this was a very PC, all-ages, in-no-way ecchi show.
  • Shinmai Maou no Keiyakusha Burst - This is the second season of a show that is borderline hentai. I knew this going in. This could have been categorized in the next tier, but it's a known quantity. And the TV version is actually heavily censored, to the point where it's abundantly clear that entire chunks were removed because buy the blurays please. So that turned a borderline hentai show into a moderately ecchi one, making it much easier to bear watching. It's still amazingly and astonishingly bad. The plot is a generic powerup shounen kind of thing, except the MC fights with his harem, and the way they train is by fucking because that's a source of power in this world. I actually kind of have to respect how little this show gives a fuck.

The "Please Commit Sudoku, Director-San" Tier of Pain and Misery: This is for truly awful shows that were an upsetting level of badness. Likely only avoided a drop out of morbid fascination to see how bad it could possibly get.

  • Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron Blooded Orphans (1st Cour) - God it pains me to place this show here. I really wanted to like it. But it keeps actively doing shit to piss me off with each episode. It's so bad. All the characters are unlikeable, the plot makes no sense and runs at the speed of dripping molasses, the animation quality suffers inexplicably, and I don't even think the mechs are that cool. I can't even enjoy it in an ironic manner like Valvrave, or laugh at how stupid it is like Cross Ange. It's just not good, and a disappointing show. And all its flaws are exasperated by the fact that I've been watching an assload of other, vastly superior Gundam shows lately. And please don't get me started at how bad every single female character is in this show. I pegged this show early on as being a Wing-clone like 00, but both those shows had a lot more going for them than IBO does right now. Which is really disappointing because there's a great setup for a good show here and the writer is just completely incapable of making something worth a damn. Which again, is something I should have expected, considering the show's writer is the woman who gave us Darker Than Black's abomination of a 2nd Season. There's still time for this to get better, but I can't see a lot of its issues being backtracked at this point, or Mari Okada's signature childish melodrama suddenly getting cleaned up.
  • Comet Lucifer - Oh man, this show was a miserable, awful, terrible, piece of shit. I was billed a mecha show, and got some bad 3DCG mechs that weren't even cool looking, doing stupid things. The MC was neutron star levels of dense, and completely useless. He literally did nothing during fights; the show's titular mech actually piloted itself. All of the characters were unlikeable except for one guy (who dies). And then there's the ending that couldn't have possibly been less satisfying, even if it had ended abruptly without a conclusion. And nothing in the end made sense. And then there's a whole other level of 'SJW' complaints surrounding the really icky depictions of women in this show. One girl, by the end of the show, becomes a baby-factory for a guy who was literally stalking her all show long and she was actively running away from. Like, what? Most bad shows like this I can spot form a mile away and can either appropriately brace myself for (re: above Shinmai Maou) and enjoy for how stupid they are, or just avoid all together. But this one started out kinda interested and not awful. And then a few episodes in, someone hit the full-retard-lever and things got progressively worse until I was actively yelling at my TV screen. This, combined with Cross Ange, combined with IBO... I'm feeling mighty betrayed by Sunrise mecha shows lately...

The "Didn't Actually Watch Because of People Couldn't Get Their Shit Together" Tier of Disappointment:

  • Lupin III - RIP Fansubs (1980s-2015)
    I'm glad Crunchyroll is finally picking this one up. But it's kind of ridiculous that there were simulcast subs for shows this season like some of the stinkers I listed above, or some of these worthless shorts that get pooped out every season, and not a new fucking Lupin III show. Better late than never, but god damn. The ball was dropped pretty hard here.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby CrossXhunteR » Jan 1st, 2016 @ 7:01am

I still don't understand your abject hate of IBO. Even if you thought the show wasn't good or even okay, it is in no way bad.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby kenzo » Jan 1st, 2016 @ 8:16am

CrossXhunteR wrote:I still don't understand your abject hate of IBO. Even if you thought the show wasn't good or even okay, it is in no way bad.
It's awful Cross. And I hate saying that because I was pretty excited for this show and wanted to like it. And you know this, so it isn't like I went in expecting it to be shit and looking to hate on it. I hopped into every week being excited, and walked away increasingly every week being more and more disappointing in how stupid and bad it is. And after a certain point, I kinda just broke and stopped making excuses and stopped expecting shit to get better. And now, maybe I can laugh at how stupid it is, but it's still a bad Gundam show, and I'd rather it be a good Gundam show. So what are the problems with this show:

The abandoned premise: The show was originally sold and had the premise of our group of child soldiers having to scrape a living together and struggle to get by. And like, after a handful of episodes of giving lip-service to a dwindling budget, that problem is completely over it seems forever, since we keep stumbling on shit for them to sell, and we're backed by a huge conglomerate, etc. The Gundam itself, was billed as having to canabalize parts all the time and changing in appearance as the show went on, and I was actually really interested to see where that was going. And it looks like it's going nowhere, because all of the changes so far have been so minor that you wouldn't even notice. A slightly different arm-guard here, a slightly different shoulder guard there. That's it. It's disappointing to see good concepts like this get chucked out the window because the writers can't figure out how to work with them.

The completely unlikable cast: None of the main characters are likable. Which is a big problem, because if I don't like the cast, then why should I give a shit about what happens to them? And IMO you have to be pretty unlikable for a Gundam pilot for me to turn on you. I make excuses for Amuro and Kamille. I make fun of but am OK with Heero Yuy. But this Mikazuki guy? Like, you can't even make the autistic joke, because he might actually have autism. He literally can't into emotions. He's a full-blown psychopath. If he can't give a shit about what's going on around him, why should I? I expect that to change at some point, but like, they've done nothing to earn a gradual character development arc, and we're already halfway done with the show. Everyone else is just kind of there. And then there's the women, which deserve their own point.

The show is horrifically misogynistic: Which, normally, I would be willing to overlook a certain amount or cut some leeway, because: LOL Japan - what do you expect? But this is Gundam. A franchise that has a well established history of being much more progressive than this. If you're going to put a Gundam label on something, I expect more. It would be almost as baffling as a Studio Ghibli film coming out and being horrifically misogynistic. None of the show's women have actual personalities, they exist to be sex objects. The primary female leads literally do nothing except cook food for the men and wait in the kitchen during battles with consternation and worry on their faces for the fate of their men instead of actually being allowed to do something useful in the plot. And the women who do actually do shit, are part of a man's literal harem. It's absurd. And I'm never allowed to forget about these things because every episode, every couple minutes there's got to be a ridiculous line of dialog that reminds me how much this harem is drooling wet for their master, or how this girl is jealous of this other girl's boobs. It's awful. And the only woman with any professional ambitions is literally rendered completely immobile and helpless by the plot. I'm not saying all past Gundams are squeaky clean in this department either. But it strikes me as alarming when your show, in 2015, is less progressive than a show from the god damned 1970s. I mean, for heaven's sake, there's a child-bride here! And not just a teenager, but like, not-yet-hit-puberty/age-in-single-digits-child. And the show presents it in a way we're supposed to be OK and even supportive of???

The drama is lacking: There was this set up of having multiple nations, Gallahorn, multiple PMCs, other Mars people, etc, all vying for power and so far all of that has melted away. The politicking and scheming in a show like Zeta or Turn-A is not just a highlight of the franchise but of the whole medium. And so far, for a Gundam show, this has been an area sorely lacking. And while that alone wouldn't necessarily be a big deal, the interpersonal drama has been absolutely dreadful. Everything is set up so transparently and the melodrama is soooo bad and juvenile. The show delights in waving stupid death flags and trying to manipulate my emotions without doing anything to earn it. Like, IDGAF if spikey-hair, big eyebrows guy's brother died. I barely know who this guy is, and you just introduced the idea of him having a brother an episode ago, and now you expect me to give a shit? Like, this is a character development arc that you pull off after 30 episodes of a slow buildup, not dumping in a haphazard manner after one and a half episodes. That scenario is indicative of pretty much all of the drama in this show. It's cheap, and it's shitty.

I don't find the mechs all that appealing: Which is just a matter of personal taste. But none of them stand out and look rad to me. At all. The graze I think is well designed, but it looks rather generic. I think the Barbatos itself is on the low end of Gundams. Usually there's one or two designs in a show that look rad to me and I can latch onto and that just hasn't happened yet. I don't really blame the show for this, it's just a matter of personal tastes, but it helps to keep me from being super excited. And it's definitely disappointing when compared to the last Gundam show that got made, which was full to the brim with amazing suit designs. Like, too many designs actually. Where did all of that mojo go?

The animation quality has been uneven and frequently subpar: There are times where IBO looks really good. But they're doing the thing where some episodes and scenes get much more attention and are alotted far more frames to work with versus others. Which is a thing most shows deal with, but how egregious of a problem it is varies on a spectrum. And there are frequently points where IBO looks downright awful. Which, again, is a hard contrast to the recent G-Reco, where even its more low budget points were more cleverly masked, and you could just feel the amount of passion and energy that went into each individual drawing. Where as there's lots of times where I can feel the animators behind IBO screaming in agony between key frames. I also don't think the art style is really anything special. It's actually very bland and safe and boring, where as again, other recent Gundam productions bother to make their own style and look amazing for it, like G-Reco, The Origin, and Thunderbolt.

The plot makes no sense: This is coming from a guy who stuck with G-Reco and could make sense out of that. I don't know why anything happens in this show. Why is child slavery OK in the future? How can we solve ridiculous complicated issues like artificial gravity or nanomachines and not much more simple ones like food production? For that matter, how do we have something so ridiculous complicated as nanomachines and artificial gravity and not fucking laser beams? Mars wants economic and political freedom from Earth dominion, but why does the Earth dominate Mars to begin with? What resources on Mars have they even demonstrated that would make Earth prize it so much? IBO can't even be bothered to establish the metatron equivalent from ZoE. Why are there even people on Mars? We can't even get a single throwaway line about overpopulation or terraforming? How is this teenager such a political threat that large organizations want her assassinated? Can you imagine any military trying to assassinate Miley Cyrus because she wants to speak out on behalf of the plight of North Koreans at the UN? If this spine-computer connection is so effective with child soldiers, and the basis for these 'legendary Gundams' why doesn't everyone get them? If you only give them to kids, why are there no examples of adults who grew up with them? If the peace is being actively established by Gallahorn between nations, why is there even PMCs to begin with, when you only need those for active hot-zones? If our heroes were trying to get to Earth, why did they think going to Jupiter first was something that ever made any sense? They're ostensibly trying to deliver this peace-princess to her destination. But I have no idea how much time is passing here? It takes modern conventional rockets at least half a year to get from Earth to Mars, and yet I have no idea how the passage of time is working in this show. I have no idea why the peace-princess likes Mikazuki, or visa versa. Our child-pmc apparently still operates the home base back on Mars? Who is running that? Everyone with faces and names is on the ship. How do they get by and not get hammered into oblivion by Gallahorn in the absence of their leadership or military muscle? Why are there 'shipping lanes' in outer space? That's not how interplanetary travel and orbits work? Why did our heroes decide to ally with Teiwaz over everyone else? Why did they jump in bed with them so fast and implicitly trust them with like, no effort? Why the hell is nobody suspicious of Fumitan? Who names children after pastries? Why is Mikazuki a weeaboo? Why did they think this was a good idea for a show?

I could go on and on but I'm getting tired. I don't expect you to agree with most or any of this, but I mean, I hope you can at least understand why I'm disliking this show.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby LiQuid » Jan 1st, 2016 @ 8:19am

kenzo wrote:The "Didn't Actually Watch Because of People Couldn't Get Their Shit Together" Tier of Disappointment:

  • Lupin III - RIP Fansubs (1980s-2015)
    I'm glad Crunchyroll is finally picking this one up. But it's kind of ridiculous that there were simulcast subs for shows this season like some of the stinkers I listed above, or some of these worthless shorts that get pooped out every season, and not a new fucking Lupin III show. Better late than never, but god damn. The ball was dropped pretty hard here.

This still makes me laugh. The entire season is already out and fansubbed but you won't watch it because it's the ITA version and not the JAP version. Suck it up, fucking weeb. You want sub groups to just redo all the same work over a different audio track for no reason.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby CrossXhunteR » Jan 1st, 2016 @ 8:26am

You repeatedly reference what you thought the show would be and not what it is. Seems a weird way to judge it.

About Mikazuki. Just because he is the main pilot does not mean he needs to be the main character. In case you didn't notice, the show has a whole cast of characters, where it usually follows Orga and Kudellia/Atra.

Why do you hate the ideas of harems or arranged marriages in your media?
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby kenzo » Jan 1st, 2016 @ 8:44am

LiQuid wrote:This still makes me laugh. The entire season is already out and fansubbed but you won't watch it because it's the ITA version and not the JAP version. Suck it up, fucking weeb. You want sub groups to just redo all the same work over a different audio track for no reason.
I'm not going to watch something translated from Japanese -> Italian -> 4chan -> English. Especially when it's not as clear cut as you think, and they changed a lot of the editing for the Japanese version, added a number of scenes, dialog lines, etc. And especially not when I've been listening to Lupin talk in Japanese for a decade, I'm not going to switch to him speaking Italian for no god damned good reason.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby CrossXhunteR » Jan 1st, 2016 @ 8:45am

There is also the step I was taking, to where the Japanese language track was used, but I believe the subs were based on the Italian version. Only really noticed it being weird in one episode, many episodes in.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby kenzo » Jan 1st, 2016 @ 8:55am

CrossXhunteR wrote:You repeatedly reference what you thought the show would be and not what it is. Seems a weird way to judge it.
I'm all for judging a show on what it is and not what you want it to be. But what this show is, is a Gundam show. I don't place a lot of these expectations, it places these expectations on itself by calling itself Gundam. If you don't want that, then do like Valvrave and give yourself a blank slate by omitting the Gundam title. I want this show to not be a Gundam show, but it is, so I'm judging it based on what Gundam shows have been and should be.

CrossXhunteR wrote:About Mikazuki. Just because he is the main pilot does not mean he needs to be the main character. In case you didn't notice, the show has a whole cast of characters, where it usually follows Orga and Kudellia/Atra.
Again, it's a Gundam show. Why am I barely following the Gundam pilot - main character? Because he's that uninteresting? Whose fault is that? Oh right, the writer's. Meanwhile, Orga and Kudellia/Atra are just as fucking boring, if not more so. Because at least Mikazuki wigs out on occasion for top keks. Why are we following around such boring and unlikable people???

Meanwhile again, other recent and not so recent Gundam productions have much more likable casts. The D-bag in Thunderbolt is amazing. Literally every single character in G-Reco is a treasure. And Casval/Artesia and Ramba Ral are miracles of the universe in Origin.

CrossXhunteR wrote:Why do you hate the ideas of harems or arranged marriages in your media?
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby CrossXhunteR » Jan 1st, 2016 @ 8:58am

Thank you for explaining yourself. Glad I could have this discussion.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby kenzo » Jan 3rd, 2016 @ 3:38am

Setting Cross's magma-hot sarcasm aside, here's this season's charts. As is typical for the Winter Season, there's not a lot going on, beside hold overs and some known quantities getting sequels.

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If any have questions about specific shows or why I wrote something and such, I'm more than happy to answer questions.

As for a few standouts worth pointing out, here's a couple:

Purdy:

Edit: LMAO that fuckin' preview pic... :oops:

Based Bones does it again:


ROFL:


Mysterious!


Period-pieces and Josei gets me going:
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby LiQuid » Jan 3rd, 2016 @ 6:14am

Even in all the anime you think looks good all I see is pervy shit as far as the eye can see. Jiggly tits and naked asses. This entire medium actually has no value.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby kenzo » Jan 3rd, 2016 @ 6:35am

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Low effort LiQuid shitpost delivered right on time and as expected.
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Re: What Anime are you currently watching?

Postby CrossXhunteR » Jan 3rd, 2016 @ 7:46am

Jiggly tits and naked asses. Apparently something that only happens in anime. It's not like all tv shows and movies do that too.
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