You want me to trust your sincerity, but you've done literally nothing to earn it. Quite to the contrary, you've frequently done things to make me distrust you ever being sincere ever. You keep saying this is for the good of the server/community, but through this entire scenario you've laser-locked onto just this and never discussed other things we could do, or even allowed discussion of the merits of this. Cross and I tried early, and we both gave up in exasperation pretty quickly because you spent the entire time couching your idea of being 'inclusive' in ways that were specifically very insulting and exclusive to us. I mean within moments of trying to express sincerity in this very thread, you also manage to squeak in an insulting, patronizing 'compromise' that really is just you still getting your way. Like, that's a real genuine and inviting channel name, there, "weeb life".
This entire process has been undermined with you from the first step to the last with you being insulting, patronizing, commanding, and refusing to even consider contrary perspectives. You wanted anime banned from the main channel, so you created a poll to do it, a poll singling out anime, insulting it as a pastime, and loading the question in some of the most egregiously bogus and leading language possible. You refined it but not by much. And you even proudly proclaimed how you were going to arbitrarily subtract votes in order to get the outcome you wanted
, so why should I even bother taking part in a vote or discussion like that, skewing the results further? And then you used those results and a select couple of responses to justify strong arming your position into being the way we would do things now. Forgive me for protesting such a blatantly hostile and insincere attempt to squash and quarantine discussions.
Meanwhile, literally every justification you've espoused has been bullshit. "I want dakazu and darfox to see the wrasslin videos and links I send to them! It's a shame they all slide off the page!" So? When I really want someone to see something and they're not there, I don't insist everyone stop cluttering the chat so that my
content can stand tall and proud. For example, when I make progress on my models and want cross and jenn and especially kevin to see, I make a forum post about it. If something slides off and isn't important enough for me to post it again later or put it in the forums, it probably wasn't actually important enough to me that they see it to begin with. "Look at Giant Bomb! Look at how many text channels they have!" They're also a community that, when I looked, had HUNDREDS of users online (not even including all the offline; just online) in the dead of the night. And they only have eight channels; ours of typing has nine channels for 40 total users for some fucking reason. I can see the necessity of having multiple chat channels just so everything doesn't scroll off the screen so fast that you can't even read it, that's totally fair. But that's literally never been the case with our discord server, except when people are copy-pasta flooding the chat with airhornbot commands (which wouldn't be affected by this new policy, and the bot itself is subject #1385 of things more important to making the discord server more inviting than segregating discussion topics). But this wasn't a suggestion born of that kind of necessity, this is 100% about segregating conversation topics you don't like out of your view, which is discriminatory, petty, and gross. If you're the kind of person who comes into a place, and is so intolerant of other people's interests and hobbies that are on display that you immediately nope out, how is that my
problem? How is that my
fault? It seems to me like the other party is the one with a problem, and I don't know if I want someone so close minded and intolerant here to begin with.
But let's grant for a moment that there's truly no ulterior motive for this segregation of discussion topics, and we should do this for purely altruistic reasons and the betterment of the community. But I still have to propose the question, will that actually do anything? Is having a unified chat inherently off-putting, and enables a 'toxic' community? Because I would have thought our own experience with this very forum would have informed an obvious NO answer. This forum is very regimented and discussion topics are very clearly segregated and organized. Did that stop this place from imploding and fizzling out? Was this delineation between topics something made the place less toxic and more inviting? Not for one moment. If you'll even recall, it had the exact opposite effect - people argued and were petty all the fucking time about where discussions should go. And even at the least passive aggressive, that toxicity helped drive plenty of people out of here. Newbies would show up, create a dupe thread or misscategorize something, and we'd lambaste them for it, and they'd never come back again.
Know what really makes the discord, mumble, and forums so toxic for this community? Not any one rule or organizing principle. Just people being fucking mean people to each other and saying mean things and berating each other because they're different in some way. Know what I wasn't doing yesterday, or the day before? Doing or saying mean things to people or judging them. I was having a very pleasant time conversing with people and playing games with them. Then literally out of nowhere you show up to start an anti-anime tirade and this stupid drama snowballed out of it. Today, Cross and I were literally the only people active on the server. He was muted and deafened so I text-chatted with him until he unmuted himself. Our conversation broached on like a dozen of innocent topics and naturally flowed back and forth between them. If we had stayed text chatting, we would have had to bounce between at least half the stupid topic channels in ways that were extremely unnatural, cumbersome, and probably dissuaded us from actually talking about stuff we wanted to. I've done that before, chatting in three different channels with people like Jenn or Rodney at the same time and holding separate conversations simultaneously and it's confusing and cumbersome and stupid and needlessly complicating what should have been a simple discussion and I can't imagine such a thing being inviting to newcommers. But regardless, we had a nice pleasant discussion, and anyone showing up in the middle of it and wanting to talk was certainly welcome to do so, and it interfered with nothing, and not long later there's a new forum post by darfox complaining that we were being recidivists. Again, even in your last post, you say we're "sabotaging" the server by merely existing here and talking about things we like. We were having a grand old time, and would have welcomed anyone entering and wishing to talk with us. This is directly in comparison to people like you liquid, who walk in, and bitch and moan about anime, and have to let everyone know how much you hate it. Or ex who does the same with anime, or feels compelled to interrupt any conversation about dota about how much he hates it and how he thinks it's evil and occasionally how he thinks the people who play it are bad people for doing so for the umpteenth time. I brush off and ignore those kinds of constant not-so-micro-aggressions that happen on a regular basis by plenty of people and don't take them to heart. And I'm positive I do it frequently too! But the solution to people behaving badly isn't to just remove all discussions they don't like from their sight, the solution is for people to simply stop behaving badly to other people.
So that's where I stand on this. It's hard not to take things personally when you made them personal from the get go, and several people reply here unprompted in this thread sound like this is a personal issue with me as well. But hey, you said you wanted to be earnest and just make things better, so here's me actually giving you the time of day to respond giving you the benefit of the doubt you frankly haven't earned or deserved. That's my perspective on all this. I could have broken down more of your arguments or others in petty ways that would have gone on forever and would have done nothing productive, but I didn't. And no doubt, just the sight of this giant block of text is going to either immediately fall on deaf ears or send some people into a rage, but this is how I honestly feel and this is me communicating my perspective. My personal inclinations for doing things going forward hasn't changed. However I'd be willing to compromise and obey these new stupid rules if there was actually a serious discussion about how to else clean things up in discord and make it more inviting, starting with the idea of you liquid giving up your admin control. But I have very little faith that will happen, especially since you didn't even re-address the idea, something I'm going to go out on a limb and assume would be welcomed as a positive change almost universally. And like I said before, I'm more than open to having a fair and honest discussion about what else should be done to make this discord server better and more inviting place, starting with things like removing the airhornbot from the main audio channel (Cross brought up with me the fact that he was appalled that someone started using that the first time Ryan Scott entered the discord server, as if a fucking airhorn interrupting people talking is an inviting thing to a new person) or having the OP of this thread actually have the url for the permanent invite link so guys like lemon-fresh didn't have to wait a whole day to get onto the server, or so that in absence of an admin/mod, someone could easily reference the link to give out to others. But again, I think I've outlined already why I'm deservedly skeptical that that's what people are really interested in doing.