
Can't wait for Tomasi and Gleason to start next month.
obtainium wrote:The bat books have been awesome post return of bruce wayne. It makes me wish they had held off on bringing him back, just a bit longer. These dick stories are awesome.
LiQuid wrote:I haven't read a single good review of it. Seems you're among the minority that actually liked it. I agree with the mediocre reviews. Compared to Detective, B&R was barely mediocre.
LiQuid wrote:Well your friends are weird. Comic press wasn't thrilled. Now you know how I feel when I stick up for shitty games like Alpha Protocol to all the haters.
LiQuid wrote:Who's Dick now, Nightwing? I got what you were saying about the Dick/Damien dynamic, and yeah it probably would have been better, but that doesn't make B&R as it exists better. It had potential, but I think consensus is that Damien was just a total wet blanket.
What? that would mean batman(bruce then I guess) who have to try to be fatherlyLiQuid wrote:Who's Dick now, Nightwing? I got what you were saying about the Dick/Damien dynamic, and yeah it probably would have been better, but that doesn't make B&R as it exists better. It had potential, but I think consensus is that Damien was just a total wet blanket.
mcbrid55 wrote:I know B&R hasn't gotten the best reviews but I liked it a lot; especially the dynamic between Bruce and Damien. I just love how much of a little shit he is!
While I like the general dynamic being set up between Bruce and Damian, I think it’s weakened considerably by the father/son relationship that necessarily runs under every line and interaction they share. It makes Damian come off as a petulant child talking back to his father, rather than a brilliant and brash young independent hero with a (somewhat understandable) superiority complex. It lessens both of them as characters, and undercuts the schools of thought that Tomasi is setting them up as representing
I can appreciate that their relationship is awkward and forced and will take time to develop but right now there’s little enjoyment in seeing them together. Damian feels even more bratty than normal (“Impossible,” you say? I wish.) and Bruce feels more touchy feel-y than normal. In the end, all you find yourself wishing for is the Dick Grayson/Damian Wayne dynamic that worked so beautifully (even when it was contentious) for the last year.
I have to wonder if Damian would really be this disrespectful, going so far as to demand he be trusted and be considered a partner, not a sidekick.
The problem with Batman & Robin is that we have a Batman that has stopped focusing upon his parent's death and a Robin that's unworthy, unlikeable, and unrealistic as a sidekick. This bad formula makes this title a bad start to what could have been a great series
Damian himself is portrayed as the most petulant individual to take on the guise of the Boy Wonder since Chris O'Donnell in Joel Schumacher's reviled Batman & Robin film. He argues with his mentor at every turn, ignores his advice, and gloats about how superior he is to his predecessors.
The character comes across as largely unlikable
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