[Master Higgins]

This week, we try to not quit our jobs on twitter.

And next week, we're doing our DC New 52 One Year Later podcast, so time to catch up on a few books...

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[kenzo]

Why did they cancel my JLI, just to make a JLA with less interesting characters and the exact same premise!?!?

[LiQuid]

less interesting characters

Less interesting than the cast of JLI? Bitch you must be crazy.

[kenzo]

less interesting characters

Less interesting than the cast of JLI? Bitch you must be crazy.

Guy Gardner & Booster Gold - I rest my case.

[LiQuid]

less interesting characters

Less interesting than the cast of JLI? Bitch you must be crazy.

Guy Gardner & Booster Gold - I rest my case.

Vibe and Star Girl - I rest my case.

[comicsanddakine]

Kenzo, Liq, you are both right. JLI is awesome as a concept is dope and was at its peak, right before the crappy New 52 shit that I want to forget. JLA is appealing as its a team of oddballs like JLI but the creative behind should make it a compelling read. Kenzo! Your list for top New 52 books was good but kinda disappointed you pulled a bitch move by batching together family books.
Liq!! What is yours??

[LiQuid]

Haven't read any DC in about 3 months and the only one of the New New 52 books I read was Dial H #1 so I'm not too qualified to speak on it. My favorites haven't really changed since the start of the New 52 though. Animal Man, Swamp Thing, Demon Knights, Frankenstein and Justice League Dark are my top 5 in no order.

I find all DC's superhero stuff too self serious and cliche riddled so I'll continue making mine Marvel, despite all the bitchy, h8r-ass motherfuckers here who think I'm a bad person for it.

[kenzo]

Kenzo! Your list for top New 52 books was good but kinda disappointed you pulled a bitch move by batching together family books.

I thought about separating it, but I don't consider it a bitch-move because:

1.) It makes my list more interesting when it isn't just #1: Green Lantern #2: Green Lantern Corp #3: Green Lantern - New Guardians #4: Red Lanterns etc.
2.) I only coupled together books that have really strong links between each other and crossover in meaningful ways. Plus, I gave Red Hood and Batman & Robin their own entires even though they're both Bat-books because they don't cross over in meaningful ways.

Edit: Speaking of Red Hood - am I crazy in thinking that the art for that book is very Shirow Masamune-like? I think that's why I'm so partial to the book.

[Guillermo_DudeL]

Nose Mythology Kryptonians.

[Roadie Brock]

Kenzo, Liq, you are both right. JLI is awesome as a concept is dope and was at its peak, right before the crappy New 52 shit that I want to forget. JLA is appealing as its a team of oddballs like JLI but the creative behind should make it a compelling read. Kenzo! Your list for top New 52 books was good but kinda disappointed you pulled a bitch move by batching together family books.
Liq!! What is yours??

The best incarnation of the JLI was in Justice League: Generation Lost!

[Quillon]

The best incarnation of the JLI was in Justice League: Generation Lost!

It's a trick question: There was no good incarnation of the JLI.

[Olympia]

is this a good place to start talking about how i can't stand grant morrison now? who cares. he's starting to make me feel physical pain. he makes me sick to my stomach.

[LiQuid]

Action certainly seems pretty phoned in, but Batman Inc is still cool, Y U H8'n?!

[LiQuid]

To the guy asking about X-Men. If you want to just get into modern X-Men, the mandatory reads are:

House of M
Messiah Complex
Messiah War
Second Coming
Schism

Not as mandatory but I also recommend reading through Generation Hope. The art was inconsistent but the writing was good. Hope's lights are mostly all pretty good characters. I feel like most people that hate Hope didn't read this, which is kinda crappy. I think she's actually a pretty good character but most people just want her to die ASAP.

[Quillon]

is this a good place to start talking about how i can't stand grant morrison now? who cares. he's starting to make me feel physical pain. he makes me sick to my stomach.

I think Morrison peaked with JLA. Certainly it had all his hallmarks in spades: Big ideas, clever plot developments, negligible characterization. All-Star Superman is nearly as good.

Action and Batman, Inc. still have that "negligible characterization" quality, but the ideas have gotten smaller, and the plots just don't wow me anymore. But the real problem is that he seems to have completely lost his ability to pace his stories: They're all herky-jerky, "look this way! no, look this way!", meander all over the place without really going anywhere, and have no sense of drama. They're dressed up as if they're complex and challenging, and I guess the point is that he's playing around with story structure, but there's not really enough story under it all to justify it. (Batwoman has essentially the same problem.)

I think Morrison basically jumped the shark with Final Crisis, which was borderline-unreadable claptrap. Bad enough that he wasted yet more of my time with Jack Kirby's tiresome DC Fourth World characters, but there just wasn't much point to the story.

[Master Higgins]

Brock?

[LiQuid]

You actually suspect someone formulating coherent arguments of being a Brock alt?

[Fade2Black]

I think Morrison basically jumped the shark with Final Crisis, which was borderline-unreadable claptrap. Bad enough that he wasted yet more of my time with Jack Kirby's tiresome DC Fourth World characters, but there just wasn't much point to the story.

He jumped it earlier than that. I honestly couldn't get halfway through the first issue of Morrison's 2004 Seaguy series, and to top it off, the damn book even features a shark on the cover.

[Roadie Brock]

is this a good place to start talking about how i can't stand grant morrison now? who cares. he's starting to make me feel physical pain. he makes me sick to my stomach.

I think Morrison peaked with JLA. Certainly it had all his hallmarks in spades: Big ideas, clever plot developments, negligible characterization. All-Star Superman is nearly as good.

Action and Batman, Inc. still have that "negligible characterization" quality, but the ideas have gotten smaller, and the plots just don't wow me anymore. But the real problem is that he seems to have completely lost his ability to pace his stories: They're all herky-jerky, "look this way! no, look this way!", meander all over the place without really going anywhere, and have no sense of drama. They're dressed up as if they're complex and challenging, and I guess the point is that he's playing around with story structure, but there's not really enough story under it all to justify it. (Batwoman has essentially the same problem.)

I think Morrison basically jumped the shark with Final Crisis, which was borderline-unreadable claptrap. Bad enough that he wasted yet more of my time with Jack Kirby's tiresome DC Fourth World characters, but there just wasn't much point to the story.

Hopefully Higgins doesn't ban you from the forums for this post. And I think I will start using the term "herky-jerky" instead of choppy to describe what is like to read Morrison in single issues.

[Olympia]

Action certainly seems pretty phoned in, but Batman Inc is still cool, Y U H8'n?!

maybe I should go to morrison con, a once in a liftime experience only where the most brilliant minds in comics meet, where the con staff is called, the morrisons

[Quillon]

maybe I should go to morrison con, a once in a liftime experience only where the most brilliant minds in comics meet, where the con staff is called, the morrisons

I keep wondering why people are willing to pay money just to get conned by Grant Morrison!

[Quillon]

You actually suspect someone formulating coherent arguments of being a Brock alt?

I can't possibly be Brock, because I slammed Batwoman too!

[Roadie Brock]

You actually suspect someone formulating coherent arguments of being a Brock alt?

I can't possibly be Brock, because I slammed Batwoman too!

Actually I agree with you about Batwoman having the "herky-jerky" feel to it.

[Quillon]

Actually I agree with you about Batwoman having the "herky-jerky" feel to it.

I'm looking forward to receiving my royalty payments when you start using "herky-jerky" on the podcast!

[Roadie Brock]

Actually I agree with you about Batwoman having the "herky-jerky" feel to it.

I'm looking forward to receiving my royalty payments when you start using "herky-jerky" on the podcast!

Royalties? One can only wish for a better world where creativity is...I better stop there.

[Olympia]

my prize for all the shit talking i just did about morrison in this thread is my boss offering to fly me out to las vegas for morrison con

lol, oops

[Roadie Brock]

my prize for all the shit talking i just did about morrison in this thread is my boss offering to fly me out to las vegas for morrison con

lol, oops

Go! And then document it for Ryan Higgins!