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The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby Rydog » Dec 12th, 2012 @ 3:41am

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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby LiQuid » Dec 12th, 2012 @ 4:11am

Ironic that Nintendo Power and Nintendo's power both ended in the same year. ZING! *pets self on back*
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby Guillermo_DudeL » Dec 12th, 2012 @ 6:17am

Okay let's get this straight. Great Britain is the island, England is the largest country on the island, and the United Kingdom is the nation formed from the three countries in Great Britain (England, Scotland, Wales) as well as Northern Ireland.
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby rebonack » Dec 12th, 2012 @ 7:24am

Hey guys, I recently jumped on the Geekbox train with episode 197. I appreciate the discussion of spoilers on this week's episode, as I'm one of the listeners who was disappointed to have The Walking Dead #100 spoiled for me on the last episode of the podcast. I've been reading the series via the 12-issue hardcover compilations, which are up to book 8 (issue 96), so I haven't read #100 yet. I appreciate that the issue is a few months old and you wanted to discuss it on the podcast -- I listen to a lot of podcasts, and I'm perfectly fine with skipping ahead to avoid spoilers, as you recommended in your discussion this week. My problem is that I did skip forward two minutes or so to avoid that tidbit, and then a half hour later, Ryan spoiled it anyway without warning. Maybe I misunderstood, and the earlier warning was for the entire discussion, but I thought that if I skipped ahead I could avoid the spoiler. I wish you would have given another warning, or perhaps talked in vaguer terms, as it wasn't an entire discussion of the issue, just a quick blurt in reference to something else.

I appreciate you discussing your view of spoilers on this episode and now that I have a better understanding of that view, I don't think I'm going to continue listening. I completely understand your policy on spoilers, and obviously I don't expect you to amend your policy for one person. And as I'm clearly not always on top of the most recent games or comics as I'd like to be, I'm probably not the best person to be listening. Keep up the good work guys, even if it's not for me.
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby puppybox » Dec 12th, 2012 @ 9:03am

I read Sega Visions as kid

Nintendo Power wishes it was as way-past-cool as Sega Visions 8-)
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby LiQuid » Dec 12th, 2012 @ 9:14am

If you want my opinion, you're not allowed to lament the passing of Nintendo Power unless you were a current subscriber, so that pretty much disqualifies everybody on this podcast.
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby LiQuid » Dec 12th, 2012 @ 9:16am

And get Karen back on this shit already! She think just cause she won an award she's too good for the Geekbox? Remember your ROOTS sister! This show needs some fucking estrogen and Higgins alone can't meet the quota!
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby Master Higgins » Dec 12th, 2012 @ 9:43am

LiQuid wrote:And get Karen back on this shit already! She think just cause she won an award she's too good for the Geekbox? Remember your ROOTS sister! This show needs some fucking estrogen and Higgins alone can't meet the quota!


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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby kenzo » Dec 12th, 2012 @ 9:43am

LiQuid wrote:And get Karen back on this shit already! She think just cause she won an award she's too good for the Geekbox? Remember your ROOTS sister! This show needs some fucking estrogen and Higgins alone can't meet the quota!
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby juventuz » Dec 12th, 2012 @ 2:39pm

Sports are dumb. I swear we hear this nearly every episode and it got old around episode 20.
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby darfox8 » Dec 12th, 2012 @ 5:48pm

About the spoiler stuff... I had no problem with the last Walking Dead spoilrawrs because you did actually warn before hand. I can't ask for more, it would be nice to organize the podcast and save all the big topical spoilrawrs till the end but I understand that somethings come up in conversations and it'll totally break the flow(and the fun) of the cast if you had to constantly censor yourself... so just throw up a quick spoilrawr warning and it's all good. It's no big deal.

But I have an issue with this 4 month excuse. I understand what Rydog is trying to say but it sounds like he's being an asshole saying "This is my fast lane life I lead! Keep up or bite the DUUUUUUSSST!" I pity you for living a life so buried in internet bullshit. I don't want to be you, don't try and drag me down to your level. You want to keep the podcast topical? Cool, I think it's necessary for this type of cast, just throw up a quick spoilrawr warning and all is good in the world.

I hate the attitude of "This came out in 1985 GOSH!". Sooooo fucking what. I was born in 1987 and the first thing I did when I came out my mum's womb wasn't to say "It's time to catch up on everything I've missed!" If I come across someone who, for whatever reason, missed Blade Runner I want them to experience it and see the stuff for themselves. By some miracle he managed not to get spoiled his whole life and I'm not going to blame him for that, I'm going to send him on his way to hopefully watch the movie and join the rest of us. I'm certainly not going to say "Ha ha looser! Just for being slow I'm going to spoil it for you." Which I feel is the general tone of the "It came out in 19**" argument. To use that argument to justify spoiling something is to assume you had the perfect childhood, or whats more it's to assume you had the best education in entertainment and pop culture and history... and that is fucking false for everyone on the podcast, including brainy Karen.

I wish we could have a cease fire to end the war between the Spoilers and the SpoilTards(I know I'm responsible for a lot of the bitching. So I myself am a SpoilTard) but I feel the SpoilTards can't be trusted to not freakout for every little spoilrawr and the Spoilers can't be trusted to man-up and admit when they slipped up and said too much. There shall be noooo peace...
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby Mr_eX » Dec 12th, 2012 @ 10:11pm

I wasn't even mad about spoiling the Walking Dead comic, I was mad that he spoiled the games. He said "lite spoilers for episodes 1 - 3" then gave a character death, which is major spoiler for a game that is 100% story and 0% gameplay.
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby IRL_Troll » Dec 13th, 2012 @ 3:21am

Oh hey! I found my way out of my hole. Anyway! Spoilers talk, on account of I caused a stink about this during a bender/early stages of a breakup awhile back. I couldn't give two shits about spoilers. But for the poor plebs who do, how hard is it to interject a note going "okay guys, from (timeframe x) to (timeframe y), we're spoiling (media z) post production?"
And despite how much I'm dying to, I can not talk about a certain book adaptation to a movie until 2 hours from this time tomorrow morning.
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby manta173 » Dec 13th, 2012 @ 8:48am

I am mad about the comic spoiler. I don't read any comics but the walking dead... I started when the show came out and have been getting the hardcovers so of course I'm behind and so are 99% of the people interested in the walking dead. I know it is a unique IP in that respect.

I don't give a shit if Green Lantern died in the comic that came out today... but in a comic that it so popular and poplular in a way that is significantly behind the current storyline of the comics a little more significant warning would have been appreciated.

I have listened to the podcast a couple of years now and listened to every minute including all the spoilers... This is the only one that has bothered me. I don't buy the issues when they come out. I don't watch movies opening weekend. I don't watch TV the day it airs. This is how the modern world works we consume on our own time frame. Tell me you are going to give a major spoiler. Not the "lol spoilers" usual crap for hey this actor is in a movie. That isn't a real big spoiler. "Luke I am your father" is an experience ruining spoiler.
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby Mr_eX » Dec 13th, 2012 @ 11:42am

Enterprise is the best Star Trek series
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby darfox8 » Dec 13th, 2012 @ 12:06pm

Mr_eX wrote:Enterprise is the best Star Trek series


Says the dude who hasn't seen Deep Space 9. I finally finished it a few weeks ago and it might be my favorite TV series ever. It's definitely up there.

I agree with what Adam Fitch was trying to say about the depth of Star Trek. There's just sooo much awesome stories, and characters, and races, and sci fi stuff and it's all part of the official viewing. You don't have to read books to know how awesome a certain character is or to know who dangerous that bountyhunter who was standing in the background is.

The podcast made me rewatch The Wrath of Khan last night. It was only my second time seeing it... pretty cool.
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby kenzo » Dec 13th, 2012 @ 12:56pm

darfox8 wrote:I finally finished it (DS9) a few weeks ago and it might be my favorite TV series ever. It's definitely up there.
I love DS9. I fluxuate on whether or not it's my favorite though. TNG usually takes the cake based purely on nostalgia. The kinds of nerd-nostalgia-boners all you assholes get for shitty shows like Transformers or TMNT when you were kids, I get for TNG. The big difference though, is that TNG is still mostly watchable and quality TV as an adult.

darfox8 wrote:I agree with what Adam Fitch was trying to say about the depth of Star Trek. There's just sooo much awesome stories, and characters, and races, and sci fi stuff and it's all part of the official viewing. You don't have to read books to know how awesome a certain character is or to know who dangerous that bountyhunter who was standing in the background is.
This, for me, is the big kicker with why Star Trek is sooooo much better than Star Wars, and why I can't understand how people like R.S. (or whatever) can lose their mind over it. For the longest time, Star Wars was just three movies. Now it's three movies, three more terrible movies, and a children's cartoon. But yeah, there's nowhere near the same level of depth to dig into when you consider official canon.

darfox8 wrote:The podcast made me rewatch The Wrath of Khan last night. It was only my second time seeing it... pretty cool.
This was easily the best Star Trek movie, but 6 comes close to me. I swear though, if R.S. gets into belligerence-mode, repeating over and over again about how '09 Trek is the best and everyone else is stupid, I'm going to smash my smartphone into little pieces and then mail those pieces to the Comics Conspiracy.

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Mr_eX wrote:Enterprise is the best Star Trek series
Says the dude who hasn't seen Deep Space 9.
At least he's acknowledging a Trek TV series having merit and being good. I'll consider that a big step up from, "Durrrrrr, teh onlyz Star trek that waz gud wuz teh 1 were it leik STAR WRZ HYUK HYUK."
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby Guillermo_DudeL » Dec 13th, 2012 @ 4:48pm

Mr_eX wrote:Enterprise is the best Star Trek series

Troll.
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby LiQuid » Dec 13th, 2012 @ 5:20pm

darfox8 wrote:
Mr_eX wrote:Enterprise is the best Star Trek series


Says the dude who hasn't seen Deep Space 9. I finally finished it a few weeks ago and it might be my favorite TV series ever. It's definitely up there.

You should watch Babylon 5, it's literally the exact same show but good.
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby darfox8 » Dec 13th, 2012 @ 5:24pm

LiQuid wrote:
darfox8 wrote:
Mr_eX wrote:Enterprise is the best Star Trek series


Says the dude who hasn't seen Deep Space 9. I finally finished it a few weeks ago and it might be my favorite TV series ever. It's definitely up there.

You should watch Babylon 5, it's literally the exact same show but good.

Maybe someday but I'm making my way through all of Trek and I still need Voyager and Enterprise.
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby kenzo » Dec 13th, 2012 @ 5:33pm

darfox8 wrote:
LiQuid wrote:
darfox8 wrote:
Mr_eX wrote:Enterprise is the best Star Trek series
Says the dude who hasn't seen Deep Space 9. I finally finished it a few weeks ago and it might be my favorite TV series ever. It's definitely up there.
You should watch Babylon 5, it's literally the exact same show but good.
Maybe someday but I'm making my way through all of Trek and I still need Voyager and Enterprise.
You also need to watch The Animated Series.
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby Konanda » Dec 13th, 2012 @ 7:47pm

kenzo wrote:
darfox8 wrote:I agree with what Adam Fitch was trying to say about the depth of Star Trek. There's just sooo much awesome stories, and characters, and races, and sci fi stuff and it's all part of the official viewing. You don't have to read books to know how awesome a certain character is or to know who dangerous that bountyhunter who was standing in the background is.
This, for me, is the big kicker with why Star Trek is sooooo much better than Star Wars, and why I can't understand how people like R.S. (or whatever) can lose their mind over it. For the longest time, Star Wars was just three movies. Now it's three movies, three more terrible movies, and a children's cartoon. But yeah, there's nowhere near the same level of depth to dig into when you consider official canon.


Star Wars canon is more nuanced than that, the cartoon would probably fall under Expanded Universe stuff. Last I remember the main canons are films only and films + EU.
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby etherwing » Dec 13th, 2012 @ 8:53pm

I don't understand. Star Trek 2 was pretty good, but I definitely don't think it should be number one. It's also pretty dated at this point. I would say 6 is the superior movie out of all the Star Trek movies (including the 2009 one), and the one that Ryan Scott should start off with. My favorite sequence in all of the Star Trek movies, though, was Stealing the Enterprise in Star Trek 3. Love the music! Too bad the rest of the movie sucked.



And then yes, he should definitely watch DS9, at least from the middle of season 3 onward (the first two are terrible, and even the third one isn't so great, but at least it gets the Dominion arc moving along at a good clip). I would have to agree that DS9 is one of my favorite shows ever. It's a shame it had such a weak beginning, though.
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby etherwing » Dec 13th, 2012 @ 8:59pm

Oh yeah, Higgins, if you want Ryan Scott to watch a classic Star Trek movie, maybe you should do a deal with him. He watches Star Trek 2 (or 6, which is what I'd suggest), and you watch Casino Royale. Sounds like a good trade off.
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby Mr_eX » Dec 13th, 2012 @ 9:23pm

Wrath of Khan is super overrated
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby darfox8 » Dec 13th, 2012 @ 9:25pm

etherwing wrote:And then yes, he should definitely watch DS9, at least from the middle of season 3 onward (the first two are terrible, and even the third one isn't so great, but at least it gets the Dominion arc moving along at a good clip). I would have to agree that DS9 is one of my favorite shows ever. It's a shame it had such a weak beginning, though.

I thought the first season was definitely weak but I think the second season picks up pretty good.

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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby JJBro1 » Dec 13th, 2012 @ 9:56pm

Ironic in this episode with the discussion about spoilers, Ryan Higgins (I think) spoiled the end of skyward sword without warning. I'm tired of people justifying spoiling something because of the time it came out. I don't care if it came out years ago, that does not give you the right to ruin it for me just because I didn't experience it at the time. Also 4 months is long enough to spoil something?! What if I was busy with something else or I was waiting for the game to go on sale? That's just ridiculous. Everything no matter what should be marked with a spoiler. Hell, I just recently found out about you know who died in FFVII a few years ago.
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby meDotJS » Dec 13th, 2012 @ 10:30pm

I'm just going to chime in on the spoiler discussion by saying that if you haven't seen/read/played something, it is YOUR duty to remove yourself from the discussion. It's not their duty to avoid spoilers, because all that does is hinder their discussion. If someone happens to start talking about something you haven't seen/read/played yet, then YOU should stop listening. The only thing avoiding spoilers does is hinder any meaningful discussion because you're forced to avoid major chunks of the work of fiction.

I say go for it, spoil at your leisure. I'm sick of listening to a podcast and hearing "we can't really discuss this movie/tv show/game/book because it just came out and we don't want to spoil it." Just talk about it, you're only limiting yourself by avoiding it.
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby etherwing » Dec 13th, 2012 @ 11:05pm

meDotJS wrote:I'm just going to chime in on the spoiler discussion by saying that if you haven't seen/read/played something, it is YOUR duty to remove yourself from the discussion. It's not their duty to avoid spoilers, because all that does is hinder their discussion. If someone happens to start talking about something you haven't seen/read/played yet, then YOU should stop listening. The only thing avoiding spoilers does is hinder any meaningful discussion because you're forced to avoid major chunks of the work of fiction.

I say go for it, spoil at your leisure. I'm sick of listening to a podcast and hearing "we can't really discuss this movie/tv show/game/book because it just came out and we don't want to spoil it." Just talk about it, you're only limiting yourself by avoiding it.


Yes, this. You're robbing everyone else of a meaningful discussion if you force others to keep silent for fear of spoiling. If I haven't seen something and I know the podcast is discussing the topic, then I'll avoid the episode until I've seen the title in question. And then when I go back to the podcast, I fully expect and want them to spoil the shit because I want to listen to a more insightful, deeper conversation about what I just saw. If you haven't seen/experienced something for months, or years but still expect others to shut up about spoilers, well, it's your own problem, not others. Maybe you shouldn't care, because you sure don't seem that interested in watching/finishing whatever it is you don't want spoiled. Either catch up, or don't listen. It's not really that hard.
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Re: The Geekbox: Episode 198

Postby darfox8 » Dec 13th, 2012 @ 11:13pm

meDotJS wrote:I'm just going to chime in on the spoiler discussion by saying that if you haven't seen/read/played something, it is YOUR duty to remove yourself from the discussion. It's not their duty to avoid spoilers, because all that does is hinder their discussion. If someone happens to start talking about something you haven't seen/read/played yet, then YOU should stop listening. The only thing avoiding spoilers does is hinder any meaningful discussion because you're forced to avoid major chunks of the work of fiction.

I say go for it, spoil at your leisure. I'm sick of listening to a podcast and hearing "we can't really discuss this movie/tv show/game/book because it just came out and we don't want to spoil it." Just talk about it, you're only limiting yourself by avoiding it.


If the crew actually had intelligent things to say this might be a good idead, but since they usually just communicate the spoiler and move on it's less hindering a discussion and more being reasonable with other peoples situation. Really, when they want to talk about a spoiler it's not because they have something profound to say, it's because they have something similar to an ich and they don't have the self control to not scratch it.
And remember that the SpoilTards don't want them to not talk about it... we want them to warn us that they will talk about.
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