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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby bitblockader » May 21st, 2013 @ 10:36am

Master Higgins wrote:LISTEN TO THE LATEST EPISODE: The Comic Conspiracy — Episode 109 (2013-05-20)
The (Mostly) Non-Comic Conspiracy takes over as we discuss some listener questions, as well as the Arrow Season 1 finale, Star Trek Into Darkness, epic time travel paradox argument, and the Doctor Who Series 7 finale. Starring Ryan Higgins, Jim Jokisch, Brock Sager, Toby Sidler, and Charlie West.
Running Time: 1h 56m 20s



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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby Master Higgins » May 21st, 2013 @ 11:59am

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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby LiQuid » May 21st, 2013 @ 2:15pm

Love the thumbnail for this episode. Whenever the show does stuff like that my friend and I call it Ollieporn. Gotta love Ollie's bangin' bikini bod!
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby Guillermo_DudeL » May 22nd, 2013 @ 1:06am

Master Higgins wrote:I like Star Trek V!

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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby kenzo » May 23rd, 2013 @ 4:27pm

I had to stop listening to the podcast last night because I'm not caught up on Doctor Who. But I made it through the Star Trek talk and I don't believe I've ever been more disappointed in the podcast while listening to this segment than at any other time.

There were a lot of opinions I found myself disagreeing with and shaking my head at (Into Darkness > all other Trek films ever; Enterprise not worth watching) and other bits that felt like I was contracting AIDS by just listening (every single word of the time travel talk). But at the end of the day, that's mostly just other people's opinions and I can forgive and/or ignore all that.

And then Higgins had to go ruin it all by his stunning (and patently false/misinformed) denunciation of TOS. No dude. When was the last time you even watched TOS? Do you know the first thing about history? Yes, TOS had some issues, was a product of its era, and wasn't perfect. But to categorically say it was never about peace/love/enlightenment thinking/liberalism/utopianism is just the dumbest shit I've ever heard. It really makes me even question whether you've actually seen TOS before, or have even an elementary level knowledge of history. And it's really too bad you had to go and lodge your foot in your mouth because though most of the talk you were pretty level headed and intelligent about most of what you were saying (putting STID into a little perspective and not proclaiming it the best thing you've ever seen as per the usual M.O. of Comics Conspiracy movie discussion; offering a level headed assessment of The Final Frontier).

Edit: As a counter to the negativity of this post, I will mention that I'm glad the cast liked the movie, and I too thought it was a better film than '09.
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby darfox8 » May 23rd, 2013 @ 4:58pm

kenzo wrote:And then Higgins had to go ruin it all by his stunning (and patently false/misinformed) denunciation of TOS. No dude. When was the last time you even watched TOS? Do you know the first thing about history? Yes, TOS had some issues, was a product of its era, and wasn't perfect. But to categorically say it was never about peace/love/enlightenment thinking/liberalism/utopianism is just the dumbest shit I've ever heard. It really makes me even question whether you've actually seen TOS before, or have even an elementary level knowledge of history. And it's really too bad you had to go and lodge your foot in your mouth because though most of the talk you were pretty level headed and intelligent about most of what you were saying (putting STID into a little perspective and not proclaiming it the best thing you've ever seen as per the usual M.O. of Comics Conspiracy movie discussion; offering a level headed assessment of The Final Frontier).


That also bothered me. What bothered me was that he was attempting to corrected Charlie's rose colored view of the original series, but instead of bringing the needle to the middle, he swung it all the way to the other side. To be clear I didn't mind that there wasn't any females in the meeting but I do agree that if they were super concerned with preserving Star Trek "prestige" they would of probably tried to put one there, but we already know they don't care about that so... whateves.

Who knows if there where female captains in TOS time(well some people probably know) but TOS showed a relatively small part of the federation and starfleet. By TNG time we had the bitch Admiral Nechayev breathing down Picard's neck.
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby Master Higgins » May 23rd, 2013 @ 5:08pm

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kenzo wrote:And then Higgins had to go ruin it all by his stunning (and patently false/misinformed) denunciation of TOS. No dude. When was the last time you even watched TOS? Do you know the first thing about history? Yes, TOS had some issues, was a product of its era, and wasn't perfect. But to categorically say it was never about peace/love/enlightenment thinking/liberalism/utopianism is just the dumbest shit I've ever heard. It really makes me even question whether you've actually seen TOS before, or have even an elementary level knowledge of history. And it's really too bad you had to go and lodge your foot in your mouth because though most of the talk you were pretty level headed and intelligent about most of what you were saying (putting STID into a little perspective and not proclaiming it the best thing you've ever seen as per the usual M.O. of Comics Conspiracy movie discussion; offering a level headed assessment of The Final Frontier).


That also bothered me. What bothered me was that he was attempting to corrected Charlie's rose colored view of the original series, but instead of bringing the needle to the middle, he swung it all the way to the other side.


While I've not seen every episode recently, I've seen them all multiple times, and have had this viewpoint for as long as I've been a fan of the series. It almost always comes down to fighting of some form, Kirk and McCoy are straight-up racist to Spock ("green-blooded hobgoblin"), and there are terrible humans in every form of Star Trek. Roddenberry might have had this viewpoint that the future is all love and peace, but the show rarely showed that. Kirk constantly flaunts the Prime Directive, shoving human standards into situations involving different species, and throws a punch as often as he talks down an enemy.
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby darfox8 » May 23rd, 2013 @ 5:27pm

I think every ep of TOS has a fight scene but it's like they had to put it in there. The core morality is almost always preserved.
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby kenzo » May 23rd, 2013 @ 6:47pm

Master Higgins wrote:While I've not seen every episode recently, I've seen them all multiple times, and have had this viewpoint for as long as I've been a fan of the series. It almost always comes down to fighting of some form, Kirk and McCoy are straight-up racist to Spock ("green-blooded hobgoblin"), and there are terrible humans in every form of Star Trek. Roddenberry might have had this viewpoint that the future is all love and peace, but the show rarely showed that. Kirk constantly flaunts the Prime Directive, shoving human standards into situations involving different species, and throws a punch as often as he talks down an enemy.
You're flatly wrong. On all counts. It blows my mind that you can be so right about some things, but completely miss the mark here by such an insane margin. So let's address these things one by one. TL;DR incomming:

Master Higgins wrote:It almost always comes down to fighting of some form...
There is almost always fighting of some form in each episode, but that's not what it "comes down to". Conflict in the unexplored frontiers of the galaxy is going to be inevitable. But fighting is almost never in and of itself the solution to the problem, simply something that gets in the way of completing their mission or solving their dilemma. In fact, fighting in Star Trek is almost always used to demonstrate the futility of fighting and how it is almost never a lasting solution to problems.

Master Higgins wrote:...Kirk and McCoy are straight-up racist to Spock ("green-blooded hobgoblin")...
This is a prime example of you losing perspective of the times that Star Trek was made and broadcast in. Yes, there are issues where Star Trek doesn't hold up to our modern and evolved sensibilities. Having issues with feminism is one thing, not being P.C. is another. But in the 1960s, Star Trek was groundbreaking TV when it comes to having an evolved and liberal perspective on these things. So Kirk & McCoy are kinda racist at Spock sometimes. But you're forgetting the fact that Spock is there in the first place. He's an alien working along side humans, who is the second most powerful person on the ship, and whose input and observations are always considered and valued even if someone like McCoy is hurling insults at him. The same goes for the rest of the multicultural ship - characters like Uhura and Sulu and Chekov might look like caricatures of ethnic stereotypes to modern eyes, but the fact that they're even on TV in the '60s is a big fucking deal. Again, this is the era where the US is attempting to desegregate and most people are blatantly and openly racist. But here in Star Trek, there is an entire crew of different ethnicity all working together in a professional capacity. Chekov in TOS is played as kind of a baffoon and isn't that flattering to Russians, but just the idea of a Russian and an American working hand-in-hand and trusting each other is world-shattering stuff for TV in the 60s.

Master Higgins wrote:...there are terrible humans in every form of Star Trek.
And the vast majority of humanity is shown in a positive light. And those bad people are either made to see the errors of their ways, or marginalized as abhorrent or something that we should active strive to not be. Bad humans in Star Trek exist for two very important purposes:

1.) To provide dilemmas that center around 'what is the nature of man'.
2.) To demonstrate that there is always room for improvement, and that perfection is something you strive for rather than achieve. Providing that contract and showing there are always better ways of doing things.

I don't see the issue here, or how this somehow means that TOS is not about demonstrating evolved senses of morality and liberal thinking.

Master Higgins wrote:Roddenberry might have had this viewpoint that the future is all love and peace, but the show rarely showed that.
Whenever the show talks about or deals with Earth/The Federation, it's always within the context of it being all love and peace. It rarely has an opportunity to show that however, because TOS is not primarily concerned with hanging out in the safety of Federation space, but with exploring the unexplored. How is showing the viewer the utopia of Earth relevant to an episode about Romulans and the Neutral Zone?

Master Higgins wrote:Kirk constantly flaunts the Prime Directive, shoving human standards into situations involving different species...
And this, this is the dumbest shit of all. I'm sorry, but this makes me question whether or not you even know what the Prime Directive even is about. The Prime Directive isn't about shoving human standards at other people, it's specifically about not shoving human standards at other cultures and beings. The point of a policy of non-interference is so that human standards of morality aren't inappropriately applied to other cultures that have other relative value systems.

If you have one thing to take away from all this, you should read this article. It does a much better job of pointing out what I'm talking about, and written by a person who is far more intelligent and well spoken than I:

http://www.darrenreidhistory.co.uk/how-star-trek-reflected-changing-attitudes-towards-american-history-and-the-frontier/

So in short, you're full of shit on this one Higgins. Also, I can't remember the specific charge of your assertion about there being no women of consequence in TOS, but I remember it being pretty laughably false. One example that stands out to me is Areel Shaw - a JAG officer who court marshals Kirk and remains extremely professional about the entire situation.
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby CrossXhunteR » May 23rd, 2013 @ 9:21pm

I don't think you both agree on what flaunt means.
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby jw_6179 » May 25th, 2013 @ 5:00pm

I'll get in to my feelings on Star Trek II 2 more in a later post, but about the whole "There's not enough women" thing? That's sort of bunk, imo. Sure, there might not have been women in the meeting of those officers but the film definitely pushed a female character front and center. Dr. McCoy got demoted to ensamble cast and Uhura to top billing for the female demographic, which is a shame because McCoy served a good foil to Kirk/Spock that I don't get from this movieverse Uhura, and Karl Urban is a really entertaining actor. I guess having four was perhaps spreading things a bit thin, especially since this film was the Kirk/Spock bromance but oh well.
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby juventuz » May 26th, 2013 @ 9:18am

There were women in the SF meeting. There's an image immediately after Harrison opens fire of a woman lying on the ground holding her leg,

Overall, I thought it was a good podcast, I agreed with most of what was said. Regarding Charlie's statement about women in TOS, there were no women Captains in TOS or any referenced. The first female Captain was in ST: IV. We never saw women in Engineering or Security either, or even at the helm. They were relegated to namely medical or communications. The current ST movies give women a more prevalent role than TOS.
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby Master Higgins » May 27th, 2013 @ 11:44pm

LISTEN TO THE LATEST EPISODE: The Comic Conspiracy — Episode 110 (2013-05-27)
Lots of stuff to say about a few subjects this week, including discussions about Fanime 2013, Green Lantern #20, and the Comic Conspiracy Bookclub. Starring Ryan Higgins, Omar Brodrick, Byrce Larsen, Brock Sager, Toby Sidler, Lane Terasaki, and Charlie West.
Running Time: 1h 25m 03s
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby darfox8 » May 30th, 2013 @ 4:23pm

I lol'd really hard when you guys told the story of Ryan asking Geoff Johns a question at a con. That's his moments, he could not do anything ever and still die happy.
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby kenzo » Jun 2nd, 2013 @ 3:21pm

Quick notes:

- I always found it kind of disturbing that the Yaoi section in Kinokuniya is the biggest single section of books in the entire book store.

- Aya and the Interceptor was from the comics. GL #65 (War of the Green Lanterns): Hal and Guy meet on a snow planet (same snow planet where, an issue earlier in GLC, Guy was infamously sucking on an ice-penis) without their rings, because they needed to stave off Krona's mind control and formulate a plan to fight back. They had the Interceptor and Aya on the planet stored there in case of an emergency, and then they hauled ass back to Oa on it (where they promptly crashed and wrecked it in the same issue).

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- It's said multiple times that Volthoom traveled "across dimensions" to be where he is. Given all the shit that has been going on in DC comics with dimension-hopping, I'm pretty sure we're headed for a cross-dimension event in DC Comics, and that a younger Volthoom might play a big role there.

I do however like the little twist that Volthoom is a human. It's never said explicitly, but you get the sense that he is the reason why the Guardians never really like or trust humans, and that their bad dealings with him have colored their perspectives and led them to be so distrusting of Hal & Co all these years.
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby Master Higgins » Jun 3rd, 2013 @ 10:31pm

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LISTEN TO THE LATEST EPISODE: The Comic Conspiracy — Episode 111 (2013-06-03)
Our friend Brandon joins us again as we discuss Man of Steel hype, recommending bad books, some Vertigo suggestions, Scorpion joining Injustice, current Top 3 Marvel and DC books, favorite legacy characters, Forever Evil, DC Retailer Roadshow 2013, some retailer math, Zenith finally getting collected, our first Comic Conspiracy Book Club pick: All-Star Superman, and some random picks of the week! Starring Ryan Higgins, Brandon Freid, Brock Sager, Toby Sidler, and Charlie West.
Running Time: 1h 22m 02s
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby LiQuid » Jun 4th, 2013 @ 4:00am

Since I never read All Star Supes I guess I'm gonna participate. Will you guys be reading listener mail about it at the end? If so I'm going to get started on my thesis outlining how Quitely's (pronounced QUITE-Lee, not QUIET-Lee) art turns A+ books in C- books.
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby karubah » Jun 4th, 2013 @ 5:35am

Completely random, but Higgin's singing of 'forever evil' reminds me of Human League's "Together in Electric Dreams". :?

Finally had a podcast that only talked about the Justice League comic book and not the constantly in purgatory movie adaptation.

Has anyone really caught on with the Age of Ultron event? Apoc twins teaming with Kang sounded like an interesting development, but not enough to get me to pick up the book.
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby Master Higgins » Jun 4th, 2013 @ 6:10am

LiQuid wrote:Since I never read All Star Supes I guess I'm gonna participate. Will you guys be reading listener mail about it at the end? If so I'm going to get started on my thesis outlining how Quitely's (pronounced QUITE-Lee, not QUIET-Lee) art turns A+ books in C- books.


Yeah, we'll be reading stuff people send in.
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby Walzo » Jun 4th, 2013 @ 11:50am

If Marvel was doing this 3D covers thing with 3.99 books and multiple villains coming from one title, everyone would get their pitchforks out.

WHERES BRYCE TO MOCK HOW DUMB THIS SHIT IS.
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby Master Higgins » Jun 4th, 2013 @ 12:22pm

Walzo wrote:If Marvel was doing this 3D covers thing with 3.99 books and multiple villains coming from one title, everyone would get their pitchforks out.

WHERES BRYCE TO MOCK HOW DUMB THIS SHIT IS.


I don't think I mocked the Age of Ultron foil cover (can't say so for Brock), and while initially everyone hated the .1 thing, Marvel just kept doing it and now it's just The Way It Is.

This, however, is a bit more worrying.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06/04/ ... -aquamans/
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby LiQuid » Jun 4th, 2013 @ 1:01pm

I'm sorry, but DC is making it waaaay too easy to just skip all of their comics for another month. Just like Zero month. I know these things lead to sales bumps, and I'm happy for them, but I don't want/need any of this gimmick shit and it's fucking baffling that they are letting it take over their entire line again for four whole fucking weeks.
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby kenzo » Jun 4th, 2013 @ 1:37pm

I like the idea of a villains month, and villains cross over between heroes so often that it doesn't really matter to me if some books get the shaft or not on this. No Nightwing this month? Just read the book about the Joker or whatever. No Larfleeze? Read the GL-enemy book, that bad guy is sure to crossover into Larfleeze anyways. The only thing that bothers me about these one-time events is that they interrupt the flow of otherwise good stories. The Zero-Issue books that linked in well and didn't interrupt the pace of the stories they were telling were awesome. Books like Green Lantern took the time to introduce Baz and didn't interrupt what was happening with the current story arc whatsoever. Other books that choose some arbitrary point in time before current events to do a one-off story like Batman? Dumb. Waste of time. I'll clearly read a number of these, but the ones that'll be worth it are the ones that link these into ongoing stories in a meaningful way so that I don't feel like we just wasted an entire month.
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby Walzo » Jun 4th, 2013 @ 2:31pm

Master Higgins wrote:
Walzo wrote:If Marvel was doing this 3D covers thing with 3.99 books and multiple villains coming from one title, everyone would get their pitchforks out.

WHERES BRYCE TO MOCK HOW DUMB THIS SHIT IS.


I don't think I mocked the Age of Ultron foil cover (can't say so for Brock), and while initially everyone hated the .1 thing, Marvel just kept doing it and now it's just The Way It Is.

This, however, is a bit more worrying.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06/04/ ... -aquamans/


16 Batman villains.

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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby jw_6179 » Jun 4th, 2013 @ 9:07pm

I'm excited for the comic book discussion group. It'll allow people to explore subjects out of their usual comfort zones, introduce people to characters they may not have much experience with, perhaps even broaden interest in new characters and creators.

Or maybe we'll just re-hash All-Star fucking Superman. Next month, forgotten gem The Killing Joke.

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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby Roadie Brock » Jun 6th, 2013 @ 10:12pm

There is a poll up on my blog to cast your vote about All Star Superman to let us know in general how much our audience likes or dislikes the Comic Book of the Month.
The poll is on the right hand side of the page.

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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby kenzo » Jun 6th, 2013 @ 10:38pm

Would you guys be upset if I WATCHED All-Star Superman instead of read it? I'd rather watch my drawings move about then read them if I have the option. It's also a lot cheaper to watch it than to read it.
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby LiQuid » Jun 6th, 2013 @ 11:50pm

I would be upset.
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby Master Higgins » Jun 7th, 2013 @ 9:09am

kenzo wrote:Would you guys be upset if I WATCHED All-Star Superman instead of read it? I'd rather watch my drawings move about then read them if I have the option. It's also a lot cheaper to watch it than to read it.


Eh, I don't care. :P The animated movie is pretty good, but only covers 4 of the 12 stories.
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Re: The Comic Conspiracy Podcast Discussion Thread

Postby shokenji » Jun 9th, 2013 @ 6:15am

Looking forward to re-reading All-Star Superman. Its been a while, but if I remember correctly, the book was a good primer on modern Superman. Kind of like the character's "Bucket List," wherein Supes is a Make-A-Wish kid who gets constantly f'd with by bad guys/circumstance.
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