[jinpei05]

Yeah, but BBT is bad...

Right. Just like "The Batman" and "Transformers: Animated" are bad too. What do this shows all have in common? Oh, that's right, you never gave them a chance.

[Guillermo_DudeL]

[Master Higgins]

That noise at the end is all I hear when I watch this show.

Which is almost never.

Thank Superman.

[Master Higgins]

Remember that funny joke that one time in Big Bang Theory?

Neither do I!

[Master Higgins]

Yeah, but BBT is bad...

Right. Just like "The Batman" and "Transformers: Animated" are bad too. What do this shows all have in common? Oh, that's right, you never gave them a chance.

I gave them both a few episodes. They were bad. When the basic animation makes me want to vomit, I can't continue.

Funny enough, I was just having a conversation about getting through the first two seasons of TNG to hit the good stuff but, ya know, it's Star Trek.

[Creep]

My rule of thumb is to attempt to encourage someone to try something they might like once. If they don't get in into it, wait. Try one more time. If they still don't get into it, stop. Then I give up. Higgins will never like something he has his mind set on. Just like i'll never give jrpg's a chance. Well, maybe I will again next generation. But, I'm open minded. Long pig is tasty.

[jinpei05]

Yeah, but BBT is bad...

Right. Just like "The Batman" and "Transformers: Animated" are bad too. What do this shows all have in common? Oh, that's right, you never gave them a chance.

I gave them both a few episodes. They were bad. When the basic animation makes me want to vomit, I can't continue.

So how do you explain your love for Avengers: Earth's Mightest Heroes? That shit should make you anorexic.

If you're referring to Jeff Matsuda's art and character designs, yeah, they were a little rough, especially considering this was the successor to JLU. And yet, the creators showed great reverence to the original source material, and managed to still make them completely their own in fresh and original ways. By the time the fourth season started, the character designs really softened, and the writing really hit its stride.

The same with Transformers: Animated. Having Optimus Prime grow into the leader he was destined to be instead of just making him a badass out of the gate and having

Spoiler: show

Omega Supreme be the ship that brought them to earth

was a great twist on the formula and was the biggest surprise out of season two.

Green Lantern was complete and utter shit from both a design and story viewpoint, yet you give that a slide.

Funny enough, I was just having a conversation about getting through the first two seasons of TNG to hit the good stuff but, ya know, it's Star Trek.

TNG is another example of a show that took some time to get really good. And I'm not even a big Trek fan.

[Guillermo_DudeL]

The Batman was okaaaaaaaay but I think it tried too hard to make itself different from BTAS in order to be another "serious" Batman show. I especially loathe its version of Mr. Freeze who is just a jewel thief who stumbled into an ice machine instead of a really cool tragic villain. But I did enjoy Kevin Michael Richardson as The Joker even if he should have put some shoes on. What makes Brave and the Bold so great is because it is unapologetically Silver Age and driven by fun so it has its own identity separate from BTAS. That's why I'm worried about the new CGI show coming up. If there is to be another serious Batman show I think it should focus on having more "Bat Family" characters from the start like The Outsiders or the Birds of Prey. Then again it could be good since it's focusing more on the Morrison-made villains than the regulars like Joker and Penguin.

Transformers Animated is AMAZING. I admit the animation is kind of primitive but it makes up for it with clever and funny episodes and memorable characters. And it's filled with shout outs to the entire history of the Transformers franchise, like the Witwicky family being reoccurring gags. AND WEIRD AL IS WRECK-GAR!

[jinpei05]

Guillermo_DudeL, you just gained a lifelong ally with that post.

[jinpei05]

The Batman was okaaaaaaaay but I think it tried too hard to make itself different from BTAS in order to be another "serious" Batman show. I especially loathe its version of Mr. Freeze who is just a jewel thief who stumbled into an ice machine instead of a really cool tragic villain. But I did enjoy Kevin Michael Richardson as The Joker even if he should have put some shoes on. What makes Brave and the Bold so great is because it is unapologetically Silver Age and driven by fun so it has its own identity separate from BTAS. That's why I'm worried about the new CGI show coming up. If there is to be another serious Batman show I think it should focus on having more "Bat Family" characters from the start like The Outsiders or the Birds of Prey. Then again it could be good since it's focusing more on the Morrison-made villains than the regulars like Joker and Penguin.

I'll give you that their version of Mr. Freeze is a bit weaker than the classic tragic Victor Fries, but it's still far from irredeemable. Besides, having not one but TWO Clayfaces was pretty slick, along with the first animated version of Black Mask.

Having Ming-Na Wen as Detective Ellen Yin was really awesome. I wish she didn't just disappear after season two. There were some really great castings, like Gina Gershon as Catwoman, Robert Englund as an AWESOME Riddler, and Rino Romano earned his stripes as Batman after the first episode.

"Beware the Batman" does seem to have an uphill battle ahead of it to win over fans (why does Batman not use guns, but his butler does?), but considering its pedigree (Glen Murakami and Sam Register as executive producers), I'm a little less worried. And yeah, seeing Professor Pyg on screen is going to be awesome!

[Guillermo_DudeL]

Guillermo_DudeL, you just gained a lifelong ally with that post.

You feel a faint bond between you and Jinpei...

You have established the jinpei05 Social Link!

[Guillermo_DudeL]

I actually did prefer the beginning of the series when I thought it was going in a Batman Begins/Year One direction where it was about a younger Batman and the closest thing he had to sidekicks was the two detectives. Later on when it started to incorporate traditional elements like Batgirl, Robin, and the Justice League and dropped the two detectives in favor of Commissioner Gordon was when it started to lose me. Also the crappy Marilyn Manson Riddler.

Alfred does use guns in the comics, which makes sense since he's an ex-soldier. However it's usually only in self-defense since he's not a crime fighter. It seems strange that Alfred will apparently fight along Batman when he's better as his mentor and medic. Maybe it's just bad marketing in order to make the show look more "edgy".

[Konanda]

Konanda, applying stereotypes is wrong in that you can't assume an individual will fit the stereotypical mold. But before you jump to the defense of hillbillies everywhere, you should probably spend some time with hillbillies in rural areas here in the United States and not just your isolated, completely different hometown. There's a reason why large swaths of the country are called 'flyover states', or why every kid growing up in small-town USA wants to get the fuck out of there ASAP - rural areas suck, and largely because of the people who live in them.

It's more the implication that they are white so it's perfectly ok if he hates them that I facepalmed at.

I can recognise that Higgins is just a despicable bigot but the idea that he believes his bigotry is justified by being the same skin colour of the stereotype he has in his mind is the part that is absolute, hypocritical, lunacy and deeply disturbing.

Also the U.S.A must be a really, really, really shitty place if all the rural areas suck. I can't speak much to the rest of it but I've visited a good chunk of Michigan, parts of Indiana and Ohio and I never saw anything to the likes that you people make it out to be. In fact I would say that Sault St. Marie (U.S. side) and the nearby Native American reserve is probably one of the nicest areas I've visited in Michigan. I've also visited said areas with some friends of Asian descent and no awful things happened at all.

BTW, totally knew this was going to happen.

[Rydog]

I think Higgins believes anyone with a southern accent is a hick.

Also: This thread is awesome.

[Guillermo_DudeL]

I love how so many people are united in the common goal of telling Higgins that he is wrong.

[Rydog]

I love how so many people are united in the common goal of telling Higgins that he is wrong.

Try explaining to him that he's dumb for not using his smart phone for email. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

[Master Higgins]

I CHECK MY 16 EMAIL ACCOUNTS ON MY PC BECAUSE THATS WHERE YOU READ EMAIL

[Jaebird]

I love how so many people are united in the common goal of telling Higgins that he is wrong.

I think everyone's just fed up with his Bizarro-Bizarro logic. Logic so bizarre, even Bizzaro would say, "What the fuck?"

[Guillermo_DudeL]

I think this is the point where after 2000 years of doing good deeds and 2000 years of being a trickster he's decided to be evil.

[Karen]

<3

[jinpei05]

Karen just won this thread.

[Master Higgins]

Never saw that movie, but that should be obvious by now.

[jinpei05]

I actually did prefer the beginning of the series when I thought it was going in a Batman Begins/Year One direction where it was about a younger Batman and the closest thing he had to sidekicks was the two detectives. Later on when it started to incorporate traditional elements like Batgirl, Robin, and the Justice League and dropped the two detectives in favor of Commissioner Gordon was when it started to lose me. Also the crappy Marilyn Manson Riddler.

I feel the same way. Having Ethan Bennett and Ellen Yin made for some very interesting dynamics. By the time Ethan fell from grace and Ellen was forced to ally with Batman, I was a solid fan. Season 2 continued with some really great ideas, including shades of romance between Bruce, Ellen, and Selina.

Season 3 was a complete tangent to what was previously established. It's probably their weakest season, but still pretty solid. And Season 4 was a grand slam, with some of the strongest episodes to date. Season 5 was ok I guess. Introducing the Justice League did give us some pretty cool episodes, but they just abandoned all the groundwork from Season 4.

And I don't care what anyone says. Freddy Krueger as a very creepy and sadistic Ridller is awesome.

Alfred does use guns in the comics, which makes sense since he's an ex-soldier. However it's usually only in self-defense since he's not a crime fighter. It seems strange that Alfred will apparently fight along Batman when he's better as his mentor and medic. Maybe it's just bad marketing in order to make the show look more "edgy".

Rubber bullets. Honest.

[kenzo]

I love how so many people are united in the common goal of telling Higgins that he is wrong.

I think everyone's just fed up with his Bizarro-Bizarro logic. Logic so bizarre, even Bizzaro would say, "What the fuck?"

If you're really fed up, you could always quit listening to the podcast.

[Master Higgins]

Full disclosure: Sometimes I'm just trolling it up, but there's usually a kernel of truth in my reasoning. I like what I like, and I don't really have any reasoning for it other than "it interests me".

[Rydog]

Full disclosure: Sometimes I'm just trolling it up, but there's usually a kernel of truth in my reasoning. I like what I like, and I don't really have any reasoning for it other than "it interests me".

(I'm kidding. Mostly. You know I love you!)

[Konanda]

Full disclosure: Sometimes I'm just trolling it up, but there's usually a kernel of truth in my reasoning. I like what I like, and I don't really have any reasoning for it other than "it interests me".

Ya, for the most part I don't think anyone here is really that upset or irritated, it's just that this episode was so boring otherwise that pretty much the only thing to talk about was some of the crazier things you said or whatever.

[kenzo]

Ya, for the most part I don't think anyone here is really that upset or irritated

Higgins is just a despicable bigot

[Master Higgins]

[Master Higgins]

Ryan Scott has never posted more in one thread than this. He updated the About page on the site. He pimped the Comic Conspiracy podcast on Twitter. What's going on?!?